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I see from the partnership Councils point of view, that they want to assist the taxi/private hire fleet to move towards EV's, and that each of the installations will have one bay reserved for use of licenced Taxi/ Private Hire vehicles.

When we were in West Yorkshire recently we charged up twice at Morrisons at Elland on a Geniepoint charger. Geniepoint are now part of the Engie empire

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Stretching the 'infrastructure' thread a bit, I know, but I thought this was a really impressive bit of compact engineering. The more you look at it, the more you realise just how much thought would have gone into it.

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Bogie - Paris Metro - Meteor
The Paris Metro runs on rubber tyres, and is stabilised laterally by more tyres. I remember trains arriving and leaving stations almost silently - apart from a rubbery swish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-tyred_metro
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I wonder if Stansted Airport got the idea from Paris? The transit system, which I use regularly for my trips to Mallorca, operates similar vehicles:
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mickthemaverick wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 11:01 I wonder if Stansted Airport got the idea from Paris? The transit system, which I use regularly for my trips to Mallorca, operates similar vehicles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stansted_ ... sit_System
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and maybe unwittingly you have experienced the world of driverless transport Mick :-D

This is the Modern World as the Jam so eloquently put it :-D

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I've been on the Paris Metro too and seem to remember a lot of squealing, along with acceleration that would throw you into someone's lap if you were standing... :lol:

Rubber tyres are great for softer ride but certainly not good from an efficiency perspective as the rolling resistance will be orders of magnitude higher than solid steel wheels and rails. I guess since it's accelerating and decelerating so much that the loss from doing that probably outweighs the tyre rolling losses. But you certainly wouldn't use rubber tyres on a long haul train that is trying to maintain a constant speed and operate at high efficiency. The remarkable efficiency of a train over long distances comes primarily from the lack of rubber tyres as well as the small frontal area in relation to cargo volume.
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NewcastleFalcon wrote: 17 Dec 2019, 11:08

and maybe unwittingly you have experienced the world of driverless transport Mick :-D

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Not to mention the Docklands Light Railway which was intended to be driverless but the last time I used it there was a DLR chap on board who was "driving" the train from the middle carriage. So make of that what you will!! :-D
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Tesla are making submarines now?
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Is that an 11 tesla magnetic field? :?:
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Are there some eddys-on that large puddle? Just needs a Swann or two...
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Watt are you thinking of Chris? Do you not think that Swanns would interfere with the revolting design ?..
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What is obvious about sales of Petrol/Diesel/LPG? in the UK?

There is a huge sign, (which I would presume is underpinned by legislation and specification) which quotes the unit price of "motor vehicle fuel" in £/litre.

Contrast with the sale of Electricity. Standing charges, variable unit charges dependant on which particular contract or tariff you happen to be on at that time, from a bewildering choice across a single provider, and contracts of varying lengths, and your usage pattern.

With petrol/diesel/lpg you dont have to have a contract with Shell/Esso/BP/Texaco/Asda or anyone else. You are totally unconcerned about "standing charges" paying to maintain the fuelling infrastructure. That's the providers look out. 24 hour stations/ Motorway Services may have additional costs and may charge a premium on the price/litre but you dont have to use them, and they have to balance demand/price/revenues and costs to make their business pay.

A move towards a mandatory price/kWh as the unit of measure for supply of electricity as "motor fuel" at all public charging points, could be a useful way of keeping things simple. California think so.....
From January 1st 2020 California bans time-based billing for EV charging


"electricity is considered a type of motor vehicle fuel. NIST Handbook 44 makes clear what the unit of measure of electricity as motor vehicle fuel dispensed from EVSE shall be measured by – either the kWh or the megajoule (MJ).”
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I was told the other day that the Treasury is at the moment consulting on how to make up the shortfall in fuel duty and vat as the uptake of EVs gathers pace and the petrol / diesel sales fall.
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