Tales from beyond the grave AKA Dan & Emma's Black Xantia, pug 206HDi, Daniel's 206 Verve 1.4i, GTi180 plus XUD9TE 206!!

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206info forum has vanished today, strange... Anyway the black 206 saw the road for the first time in it's new form today for a shakedown run. Still need to sort out the COM2000 issue and some other bits n bobs but it went pretty well for half an hour, a small issue with the gear linkage fouling something in 1st/2nd and the clutch could be bled better but it was running at a good temperature and pulling decently, but then *pop* and no drive... :twisted:

Puddle of gearbox oil on the ground, appeared to be coming from the right driveshaft area. Hopefully it's not blown the GTi140 gearbox already, the wick wasn't even turned up that much! No nasty noises and nothing flapping about though and I have a sneaking feeling though that I may have missed replacing the retainers for the intermediate bearing. Fingers crossed it's just that & there's no damage (a gearbox seal I don't mind, chewed up casings and stripped splines I do NOT wish to see!).

By the time we'd walked 15minutes home and fetched the ever faithful Xantia and a tow rope it was too dark to do much other than get it home, so look further tomorrow and praying for a quick fix and more playtime, it was feeling so good too. Good to get it in the air again though to attend to the little niggles.

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It's official, I'm a numpty! haha, I did indeed forget to install the "hockey sticks". Seems like I've got away with my idiocy though, only lost about 300ml of oil & on topping up the seal appears to be holding. Just been for a jaunt round the block and it's driving decently again. Watch this space for any other teething issues lol

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That's a sigh of relief!!

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Not half! Managed to get another 35-40 miles or so on the car today with the remainder of our 24hr insurance, all seems to be going pretty well mechanically & wow has she got some kick when the turbo spins up! :D Got some tidying up to do, finish interior swap, add a cooling fan/s and sort the electronic issues, then it can be put officially on the road from next month to save paying for a few days tax.

Will try and get some photos uploaded after, Emma should have some on the phone.

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Oh, seems I didn't get around to putting pics on here :/ Thought i had... Anyway, they'll be on 206info forum if anyone's bothered what an XUD turbo 206 looks like.

In other news since my last distant post, we've now also come to own a 306 LXDT, a 306 2.0SE cabriolet, one other 2.0 cabriolet which we broke for parts to resurrect the other two cars & just last night ended up purchasing yet another 206... This one being a 56 plate 1.4i in SW flavour, with 70k miles & for the princely sum of £50. Was NOT planning on another car just at the moment, but could not pass this up since we've been talking about getting an SW to possibly tow our caravan & had been thinking engine swaps again (this 1.4i is cooked, ran with low coolant until it stopped with no compression on all 4, oil smells like blown engines).

So now we have to tidy some things up and play the musical cars game again to fit everything on the drive, then sort MoT workarounds on the XUD swap car (pretty much just need to turn the fuel down, add an exhaust system with cat & sort the EML behaviour now) before jumping on this next 206. Shall try and get some pics at least but no promises I'll find 5 mins to upload lol, can but try!

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Wow! You are quite a fan of the 206 Dan :)

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And great to see you on here, we need more frequent posts from you ;)

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Wish I had the time to post more Jim lol it's been pretty hectic even with all the lockdown and faffing with that virus... SW has been sold now as we didn't have the time, space or funds to do what we wanted with it when we wanted to. Got it thrown together and running again but obviously the HG wasn't happy on #1 hole.

With that gone for a few weeks, we've just wound up with another 306. This one is a '97 1.6 XS with 97k & had been sat for nearly 13 years. It was bought from a facebook post sight unseen on the basis of 2 photos taken in the dark and rain, and delivery arranged the next day (which was yesterday).

when the car arrived at about 11am, first impressions were relief that the shell looks remarkably solid and straight, and the brakes weren't stuck solid. However, the engine was another thing... Locked up utterly solid, trying to turn the crank pulley just tightened the bolt and rocking it in gear didn't move it an inch either. After pulling the plugs out we filled the cylinders with diesel/ATF mixture, let it sit while we had a brew and looked over the rest of the car & then got a big bar on the crank bolt and started rocking back and forth until the bolt nearly turned. After a while of doing this, it suddenly broke loose and next time turning the key yielded a fountain from the spark plug holes.

Next issue was the electrics, from some of the paperwork inside and partially dismantled interior it seems that someone had either replaced (or started to!) the heater core & I think they've either forgotten to reattach earth point E4 or it's loose since most of the dash/instruments etc were acting strange. Things like the instrument illumination, fog lamp telltale etc lighting dimly with ignition on. Hazards not working with the ignition on or any lights on and suchlike. In the course of diagnosing that, temporarily attached a jump lead between battery - and the fag lighter housing and everything magically came to life.

No fuel pump prime or spark still though, in the process of diagnosing that fault I'd determined that the coil pack wasn't getting it's 12v+ and decided to backfeed it with a jumper wire at which point the fuel pump primed & on turning the key the engine actually started, picked up all 4 cylinders after a moment and proceeded to idle away merrily on 1/8th tank of teenage petrol! Really couldn't believe it, I'd got a gallon of fresh unleaded and a bottle of fuel system cleaner ready to go in but wasn't expecting to be starting the car 8 hours after it arrived siezed up... I'm guessing that the reason for it "waking up" when the coil was backfed is likely a sticky or slightly dirty EFi relay on the back of the battery box, whatever it was, it's worked OK ever since so likely just sleepy from it's 13 year hibernation...

Didn't do all that much today with it. Epoxied up the cracked heater hose connector, put the intake system back together, filled the cooling system and did a little reassembly on the interior while the kids washed the moss and algae off the outside. Then started the engine again and allowed it to come up to temperature, thermostat opened OK, fan cut in and out as it should with no overheating issue and as a nice bonus it would seem that the heater matrix replacement had been completed by the previous owner. Heater worked brilliantly and doesn't appear to be steaming up the windows so fingers crossed on that one...

Anyway enough of an essay haha, will add the 2 photos that we bought the car after seeing... What price would you have gambled, having seen only these pics & the seller's description of "not even looked underneath, could be mint could be rough as ar**holes"?
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Wow! What a result :D Enjoyed reading that Dan... I was expecting to see on the last line 'Took it for an MoT and it passed with a clean sheet...' It would not have surprised me at all ;)

That the brakes were not seized on was amazing.. It happened on my Saxo after standing for just a year when I was unable to drive...

How did it clean up? PSA white is good quality and can clean up very well..

I'd reckon you paid around £100 for it ;)

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Oh there's possibly an MoT in it's very near future Jim :) Need to give the brakes a going over & fit a wiper motor as it's missing, and sort some tyres then there's a possibility... It failed it's last MoT on, as I recall, emissions and handbrake adjustment. There's a newer looking cat under the car (and a warranty card for same in the boot) but will have to look into an idle issue that might have caused high CO last time too, hot it sits around 1000-1100rpm and cold it fluctuates between 500-2000 as if someone's blipping the throttle. Didn't do that initially so possibly the IAC valve is sticking or the TPS is dirty but we'll sort it.

For how bad the car looked on the top, it absolutely must have been standing on a well-drained hard surface to look as good as it does underneath. The front discs are even somewhat smooth... She's cleaned up pretty well seeing it in the light today, only had a quick wash over and some chunks of moss remain but it's not looking bad. The purchase was made by our eldest lad and was rather more than £100 though... Three door 306s have become somewhat desirable and values are going the way of the 205 fairly swiftly :o In all honesty, I'd have paid scrap price for it but Daniel has wanted a 3 door for a while now and when this one came up with an asking price of £600 a deal was worked out... He paid £500 for the car!

Honestly can't believe the money the 3 door cars are changing hands for nowadays, but that price is about what they're going for as non-runners (there was also a Cherry Red Phase 1 XS for sale at the time this one came up, that had also been stood for a long time, knocking engine and quarter panel damage & that was up at £750. We've seen a stripped Ph.1 shell with sill and boot floor rot offered for £250 as well!).

If it were me I'd just stick with a 5 door but the lad loves it and was happy to take the gamble knowing he could be buying a bunch of spares held together by a colander, and it seems the gamble is paying off. Fingers crossed more to come when I've had a chance to play for a while, sorting the earth issue and reassembling the interior.

Hope you're staying well Jim, good to see you're still on here. If the workload eases up I'll try and make time to catch up a bit on here, I miss being on here more than I should do lol.

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E4 earth point sorted, seems the previous owner simply didn't get around to tightening it back up after replacing the heater matrix :) Idle issue was part sticky IACV but mainly the MAP sensor pipe wasn't in properly, she's behaving nicely with that sorted.

Bit more interior reassembly done today & rear suspension freed up (noticed the beam was seized from sitting) by judicious use of the handbrake (which works extremely well, so that was sorted after it's failure in 2008), brake light switch looked into as they were permanently on. What a beggar that was to get at!

There may be a broken front spring/s to attend to but apart from that, oil/filters, the wiper motor and checking out the front brakes, she's perilously close to seeing the nice man at the MoT station... I'd be seriously impressed if we can get her ticketed up within a week of being revived!

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Excellent :D A 3-door 306 has always been a very desirable car but I did not realise just how much there days...

Deservedly so though as the 306 is just a big 205 and one of the best Pugs ever, along with the 205 and 405 :D

I'm sure an MoT will be yours very soon ;)

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Yes they are a great, fun car to drive. In all honesty I feel the 206 isn't all that far behind in driving enjoyment (at least, once it has an XUD9TE in it!) but the handling of the 306 is just that bit sweeter & the build just that bit more solid. Didn't expect to be saying this, but MoT booked for tomorrow afternoon! Broken driver's front spring changed yesterday, the only fight being the drop link nut which was expected.

Got a short list of to-do before we go-: fit wipers, fit decent wheels/tyres, check rear brake sensing valve, valve adjustment as we still have one clattery one & drop oil/filter. Think that's it though, fingers crossed there's nowt I've overlooked. (main worry is emissions & getting a gallon or two of super in the tank pre-test, and whether the brakes will fluctuate much) Do have the driver's door loom to check out soon though as the passenger window only works when it's either fully shut or fully open so the wiring has started to go. Not as bad as on the 5 door though, that's had a hotwired window since we got the car & the central locking has a fit when the door is in just the right place!

More to come I'm sure, when I catch a moment to get on here!

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Excellent :D All the best for a successful MoT 🤞😉😎

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Thanks Jim. MoT looms in just under an hour, got as much as we can done for a pass. Rear brakes now seem a bit grabby but hoping the drive there will smooth up the surfaces. Fingers crossed, here we go!!!