Watch out diesel lovers.

[Stickyfinger]

They see only the CO2 figure and the mpg, think "cheap tax, less fuel"

And WHO set those levels ?

You are correct, it will not be me. Never DeFrapped a car and never will. (or gone to the coffee house that does )
I also would never of purchased a diesel if I had lived in a town for all the known reasons both Mechanical and Pollution wise, people cannot see further than their noses.

[BenC5HDi]

They see only the CO2 figure and the mpg, think "cheap tax, less fuel"

And WHO set those levels ?

You are correct, it will not be me. Never DeFrapped a car and never will. (or gone to the coffee house that does )
I also would never of purchased a diesel if I had lived in a town for all the known reasons both Mechanical and Pollution wise, people cannot see further than their noses.

The levels were set by the 1997 Kyoto agreement where countries signed up to decrease their CO2 emissions drastically.

Diesels produce about 15% less CO2. It was seen as a cheap and easy way to meet the targets, hence the tax breaks for company car drivers and so on.

Silly fools never took into consideration the much greater amount of particulates, NOx and other nasties the diesels create...

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[BenC5HDi]

They're out to get you.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35689427

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... l-24022016

What's the big problem? Diesels are filthy things. Petrol is much cleaner and a lot less NOx.

"40,000 people each year die prematurely because of bad air quality"..

I'm really not sure what the problem is in trying to find a solution to that and make people healthier..

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I think you took the bait Ben, most of that is unproven scaremongering and your "Petrol is cleaner." statement is very doubtful.

It's not doubtful at all. If you use Google, there's plenty of non-UK council documents and articles that explain exactly why petrol is less harmful and cleaner.

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[Stickyfinger]

And now we pay.....classic government policy/international mash-up

[Gibbo2286]

And now we pay.....classic government policy/international mash-up

I agree with your comments about 'Red legs' he seems to be a bit of a dictator, pleased to say I don't have much call to go to Bristol these days, I used to spend my days off travelling to the Galleries and to most of the suburbs, Kingswood, Bedminster etc. Must be eight years since I last came that way.

[lexi]

The technology for measuring these things must change and improve though?
They are filthy things as Ben says. My Donk C5 produces no smoke and uses no oil.
However, when idling on the driveway it is obnoxious to the throat and nose. I know it is not very scientific but I smell nothing from the 1.4 petrol Jazz?
Maybe petrol fumes are more volatile and rise into the atmosphere. Diesel being heavy oil seem to stay low, where people are breathing. I don't know.

[Paul-R]

I remember about twenty odd years ago when diesel was going through a whipping boy phase and was being penalised an extra £5 on the tax disc, that although it had higher emissions (NOx? particulates?) when new if you took a whole life view of the engine then petrol actually came out worse as its emissions rose with age whilst diesel's remained substantially the same.

So, is it still the same?

[NewcastleFalcon]

There can be few worse pollution hotspots than a fleet of diesel vans, on the morning of a hard frost, idling and de-icing in the "yard". Personally I would welcome an electric van/car revolution. One of the local taxi firms Pheonix Taxis have been a part of the first 3,000,000 miles travelled as a taxi for Nissan's 100% electric vehicle: the LEAF . Taxi firms aren't generally run as a social service, so even now the electric option must pay.

Regards Neil

[BenC5HDi]

There can be few worse pollution hotspots than a fleet of diesel vans, on the morning of a hard frost, idling and de-icing in the "yard". Personally I would welcome an electric van/car revolution.

I'm with you on that. I love cars and driving, but I'm not really bothered what they're powered by. I'd happily drive an electric car if they weren't so damned expensive!

I have a friend who's self-employed courier in Reading, he has priced up an electric van and it would be cheaper for him to get one and run one when he changes his van. His only issue is that there's nowhere to charge it as he doesn't have a driveway.

[white exec]

We are in the final years of internal combustion, both diesel and petrol. Both are dirty and inefficient, and are clearly a major health hazard in urban areas. The shift to all-electric propulsion is underway, and we should be doing everything we can to expedite it.

Once upon a time, there was almost nowhere where you could fill up your petrol car, and so drivers made other arrangements - hence the fuel cans carried on running boards. That shortcoming was quickly addressed, and we'll do the same again for battery recharging. Solutions will be various, including inductive recharging for buses while at bus stops and lights.

Brush up on the latest in all-electric, otherwise get left behind! And don't get too seduced by the hybrids: most just don't stand up to scrutiny for anything much other than a 25-mile run.

[BenC5HDi]

We are in the final years of internal combustion, both diesel and petrol. Both are dirty and inefficient, and are clearly a major health hazard in urban areas. The shift to all-electric propulsion is underway, and we should be doing everything we can to expedite it.
Brush up on the latest in all-electric, otherwise get left behind! And don't get too seduced by the hybrids: most just don't stand up to scrutiny for anything much other than a 25-mile run.

A lot of this is due to laziness and lack of development on the part of the manufacturers. A decent modern petrol engine has an efficiency of about 25%. Much more is possible - Mercedes F1 say their F1 motor is now 50% efficient, so it's clearly possible as they've only been developing that for 4 years..

[Deanxm]

This debate always gives me a giggle Diesel, Petrol, electric its all the same in one way or another, make no mistake, in a few years when there is another billion or so people on this little rock all the battery power cars in the world wont make any difference, we will just have a new problem.
Unfortunatly the real issue is we need to reduce the global population and use a lot less power as well.

I have to ask, 40'000 people a year die because of bad air quality! where?, directly? i think not, i find there is often a problem with such dramatic headlines........

As a species we are kind of in love with ourselves, the planet will be fine, we wont be because what needs to be done is at odds with our nature.

D

[Stickyfinger]

World War 3 would help

[Deanxm]

Another world war and i doubt there would be any of us left to care, i often wonder which species will be the next dominant one, my bet is some evolution of Dolphins will be next to rise to power, they seem to have life sussed out, you ever seen a dolphin in a kabab house drunk, kicking off because he thinks he's been short changed? you ever seen one blow someone up because his imaginary sky friend was insulted? could you ever see one parading around like a self rightious pr1ck because he's got some solar panels and a nissan Leaf? i think not. They know whats coming, mark my words they are just chilling out and waiting for their day to come.

I need to lay off this stuff, whatever it is......

D

[GiveMeABreak]

Personally, I'm waiting to be abducted by aliens. I'll check in on Elvis to see how he's doing, then I'll retire to the zeta reticuli star system and work on a new Citroen suspension system until things have settled here.
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