C6 gone..no great surprise?

[DickieG]

There are several issues that will always cripple a C6's value; firstly road tax, not many are going to be willing to pay £460 a year for a car that is already expensive to run when you take into account tyres @ £200 each plus the issue over spares availability and then finding specialised knowledge to deal with potential problems that will inevitably crop up as they age, it's a complicated car loaded with electronics made by a company with a pretty poor reputation for electrics, it's fate is sealed to be in banger territory quite soon from I can see.

The C6 may well be a good car but how many people other than a few very select Citroen enthusiasts are willing to sink their money into one?

Quite a few of the C6's listed on eBay and Autotrader have been there for quite a few months now so you can pretty much ignore the asking prices as a guide to what they are worth, if I wanted to buy one I'd start negotiation at nothing less than £2k below the asking price

A couple of things I can't work out with C6's is what point is there in having a 2.2 or a Lignage?

[waynedance]

They look nice cars but as said look expensive to run. My C5 is quite cheap in comparison to run.

[HDI]

I find this enthusiasm of waiting for such cars to be cheap, a little off putting.

It's like waiting for for a famous actress or model to become a boozy old slag so you can take her home from the local for a night, and then brag about how you knocked boots with whoever-it-may-be.

Well it's one way of looking at it but could you get off with *insert the name or your chosen celeb here* when she was in her prime ? I'd struggle when she became a boozy old slag

It's just a matter of what I can or will afford. The C6 is just a superb looking car though, my chosen engine would be the 2.2 HDI, twin turbo and less car tax.

[HDI]

A couple of things I can't work out with C6's is what point is there in having a 2.2

It still has more than enough power, better fuel economy, easier to service and maintain, less fuel tax.

[DickieG]

A couple of things I can't work out with C6's is what point is there in having a 2.2

It still has more than enough power, better fuel economy, easier to service and maintain, less fuel tax.

But you then lose out on having a six cylinder engine and the significant improvement on refinement that can only be achieved with an engine having six or more cylinders, to me having a four cylinder limp in any luxurious car is pointless as the car then becomes just a minicab/large barge so why then bother with a C6 if you're only getting half of the experience?

As for the servicing aspect I can't think that a 2.2 will offer many if any benefits over the V6 version (other than maybe less engine oil) as the 2.2 is even more rare than a V6 so you'll be left having to buy everything from a dealer, ouch!

[robert_e_smart]

2.2 is more present in the C5, and greater access around the engine in that huge engine bay is a big plus point.

The 2.2's performance in the C6 is more than adequate, and is a very pleasant smooth set up. If anything it is quieter than the V6 HDi.

However there are hardly any 2.2 C6s out there to begin with.

[Trainman]

Time I entered the fray, you all make valid points about the C6 there are a couple of things to take into account though so lets start with:

Economy: Over 5,000 miles my 2.7 HDi Auto returns 32.9mpg, we recently went from Preston to Bristol and back, some 440 miles (with the bits of running about in Bristol)and she returned 42.6mpg. on a straight run down the motorway I can get over 50mpg.

Road tax: Yes, it can be expensive a 2.7HDI costs the princely sum of £445 per annum, however, if you can find the same car registered before the end of March 2006 then it's only £225. If you really lucky then you could go for the 3.0HDI which isn't as much as the post April 2006 2.7HDi

Tyres: There has been much talk as well about the price of tyres, Michelin wanting over £250 a corner, fine, if you want to pay that then go ahead, I refuse! I currently run mine on Autogrip (which I had on my c5 2.2 facelift and my previous C6) and I recently replaced ALL FOUR for the princely sum of £320.00

Parts: Yes, parts can be expensive, there again they can also be quite reasonable, for instance, a bottom ball joint and hub is £131.00. however with Citroens "Fixed prices" it does work out that bad, here are a couple of examples: http://info.citroen.co.uk/finance-and-s ... ce-repairs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://info.citroen.co.uk/servicing-offer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The biggest issue isn't the price of the car's or the fact they're expensive to repair, its fear......... because there aren't that many around, okay, there aren't, acconing to the latest figures there are total of 840 C6's in the country, how many Xantia V6's are there? how many XM V6's are there?

Dickie G was right when he said "me having a four cylinder limp in any luxurious car is pointless as the car then becomes just a minicab/large barge so why then bother with a C6 if you're only getting half of the experience?" after my bitter experience with the BMW 520D I quite agree, I drove a 535 the other day and it's a completely different beast (still wouldn't have one though)

Waynedance wrote "They look nice cars but as said look expensive to run. My C5 is quite cheap in comparison to run." are they? my 2.2 auto facelift only gave me 28.6 on average, tyres were a bit cheaper but not a lot.

Robert_e-smart wrote "There is already a C6 owners forum. These cars share a lot of common parts with the C5 and 407. Plus the engines are available in Jaguars and Land Rovers. So a bit of forum hopping would have most bases covered". It does and yes they do. Robert also wrote "I'm looking forward to getting one. I have got the bug, they are a lovely car to drive, and will hopefully be a nice XM replacement for me".

Citroening wrote "C6s are at home on the motorway as they literally just eat the miles - a 3 hour journey is akin to popping to the shops at the end of the road and back. Comfortable, fast and overall I love ours". Couldn't agree more

Activa_Mike wrote "C6s do nothing for me to be honest, I've seen a couple in the flesh and sat in one at the dealer, but never driven one. I can see some might like them, but seriously, only a madman would buy a £35k car that's going to be worth 1/6th of that in 6 years time - and six years, unless it's been seriously abused, isn't really going to make much difference to the general condition". Again I agree, how many people on here bought their Xantia or XM new knowing full well that it was going to depreciate faster than Lewis Hamilton drives? Mike if you want a drive, then there's no problem, your more than welcome to have a go in mine, I will be at ICCCR and CXM definately and I may be at a few other events.

Xac wrote "I have to say I can, they're one of the most unappealing Citroëns I can think of". and that's fine, for me it's a car that you either like or don't, my own opinion is that I don't particularly like the 'D' it does nothing for me.

At the end of the day, it's all about personnal choice and in that case, the old adage of "if you can't afford to run it, you shouldn't have bought it" applies. The C6 isn't everyone's cup of tea and I understand that, as for cost though, it's costing me no more than a facelift 2.2 auto C5.............

[HDI]

A couple of things I can't work out with C6's is what point is there in having a 2.2

It still has more than enough power, better fuel economy, easier to service and maintain, less fuel tax.

But you then lose out on having a six cylinder engine and the significant improvement on refinement that can only be achieved with an engine having six or more cylinders, to me having a four cylinder limp in any luxurious car is pointless as the car then becomes just a minicab/large barge so why then bother with a C6 if you're only getting half of the experience?

As for the servicing aspect I can't think that a 2.2 will offer many if any benefits over the V6 version (other than maybe less engine oil) as the 2.2 is even more rare than a V6 so you'll be left having to buy everything from a dealer, ouch!

Personally I don't think there would be a significant increase in refinement with a V6, and that aspect wouldn't bother me anyway, the 4 would be refined enough.
My reference to servicing was not so much about the amount of attention required, it is more to do with access, as I would be doing the work myself. The one thing that bugs me is struggling to get to to the job before you even start on the actual problem. Then stuff like cam belts on V6's, arrrrgh !! Turbo plumbing on a twin turbo V6 No, the twin turbo 4 sounds fine to me ! As has been indicated though, finding one could be an issue.

[vince]

I think it's a crying shame....I have driven Steves one and it's a dream of a car. Since when does anyone on here buy their cars of fancy based on keeping their values.

Honestly, with the c6 I'd say drive one first, then form an opinion.....

I love them, just when we thought Citroen were returning to being brave with their designs again...

[Northern_Mike]

But you then lose out on having a six cylinder engine and the significant improvement on refinement that can only be achieved with an engine having six or more cylinders, to me having a four cylinder limp

"Four cylinder limp".. excellent typo

I can't see the point in anything less than a 6 - V or straight, in a "luxury" car. The difference with between a four and a six is tremendous. I've owned 4 and 6 pot BMW 5-series in the past, the six was in a different class altogether.

[Deanxm]

The C6 is a stunning car, nice to drive and behold (bloody Steve), and the fact its coming to an end is neither a surprise nor any reflection on the car.
The C6 was partly a marketing exercise and partly a testbed, Citroen knew the DS range was coming when the C6 was launched, they also knew they would sell about 4 of them in the uk, hence why they didnt spend any money advertising it, they didnt want to sell huge numbers they wanted to premote the brand and with the DS brand proving successful there is no place for an upmarket car in the C class lineup, the C6 has served its purpose and will now be wheeled off, give it a while and you will be seing the C6 back again at the head of the DS range in a fancy dress and high heels.

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[Northern_Mike]

The C6 is a stunning car, nice to drive and behold (bloody Steve), and the fact its coming to an end is neither a surprise nor any reflection on the car.
The C6 was partly a marketing exercise and partly a testbed, Citroën knew the DS range was coming when the C6 was launched, they also knew they would sell about 4 of them in the uk, hence why they didnt spend any money advertising it, they didnt want to sell huge numbers they wanted to premote the brand and with the DS brand proving successful there is no place for an upmarket car in the C class lineup, the C6 has served its purpose and will now be wheeled off, give it a while and you will be seing the C6 back again at the head of the DS range in a fancy dress and high heels.

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So, let me get this right. They wanted to develop an expensive luxury car, to not sell any of them, as a marketing exercise to promote a completely unrelated range of cars...

I apologise if I find that slightly confusing.

Here's another point - no one, but out-and-out die-hard Citroen fans wants a big Citroen, however nice it is. They haven't since about 1985.

The problem - the 2CV. It was a huge mistake keeping it in production , or at least selling it in Europe for so long. Much as I love 2CVs, they are a comedy car to many. Most types who will buy a big exec don't want something with comedy car heritage. That's what you still have with Citroen - cute, odd looking practical hatches and sporty little cars - yes, they'll buy them in droves. Mid-sized - C5 etc, yes, and weirdo Berlingo multispaces / Xsara Picassos will always sell. Exec Saloons/Big estates won't. Nor will rubbish attempts at Soft Roaders - it's the type of the people who like that sort of thing, and their attitude that means Citroen is always going to be doomed to failure in those two particular sectors. It should give up and move.

If VW had carried on selling the old Beetle here until 1990/1, and only started developing mainstream cars in the mid-90s, they'd be in a similar position.

[Deanxm]

They were not built to premote the DS range, they were built to try and raise citroens standing in the marketplace prior to the Release of the DS range, thats not so hard to understand, after all Citroen make cheap cars, if you want to start making upmarket stylish motors but your company image reflects cheap motors you dont stand a chance really, The C6 was cheep when you consider what citroen got out of it.
They got it right too, the C6 is very reliable, the press loved it and it looks stunning although the last one is subjective obviously.

In my opinion the C6 is the first big car Citroen got right straight off the line since the DS.

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[Citroening]

In my opinion the C6 is the first big car Citroën got right straight off the line since the DS.

Got "right" in which aspects Dean? I'm thinking CX here you see...

[Northern_Mike]

They were not built to premote the DS range, they were built to try and raise Citroëns standing in the marketplace prior to the Release of the DS range, thats not so hard to understand, after all Citroën make cheap cars, if you want to start making upmarket stylish motors but your company image reflects cheap motors you dont stand a chance really,

No, they don't stand a chance, and haven't since the 80s. The leaky unreliable CX - though the mechanicals, admittedly were strong, it was the rest of the car (oddly, for a Citroen) which rotted and fell apart around the "Citroen bits" , followed by the slow, leaky, uncouth and unreliable XM - the top of the range V6 which ate camshafts - killed off not only Citroen, but the PSA group as a large executive car maker. Diesel engine not got as much power as the BMW6 Engine? Stick a 4 pot 2.5 from Van in.. etc etc.. really not good decisions when trying to make a good executive car.

YOU DON'T USE THE CUSTOMER AS DEVELOPENT DRIVERS. Citroen need to realise this.

They *are* and always will be associated with cheap, popular, stylish cars. They will never be big luxury car maker. They don't know how to make one someone, other than Citro-freaks want.