e-fuel, synthetic fuel, bio-fuel still alive?

[CitroJim]

Good stuff Neil Some steam locomotives were indeed converted to burn oil... And diesel is oil... Oil burners were installed in steam locomotives as early as WW2 when coal was in great demand. Oil firing is not quite as good as firing on real coal... Several GWR locomotives converted to run on oil were converted back to coal post-war... Mainly due to coal being cheaper than oil suspect...

There seems to be no great push to convert to oil again these days despite the coal issues... Partly the huge cost of conversion and the ongoing cost of oil I believe...

Several narrow gauge railways in the UK are happy enough with e-coal to be using it almost exclusively...

[NewcastleFalcon]

Having been selected at Random by the FCF Archives February Ferret 2023 it would be a shame not to put up a new post.

Just a couple of posts back, the Electric Viking puts his own slant on the Porsche e-fuel latest. I like his offerings probably with an acknowledged bit of my own confirmation bias. If you want to view it here's the link viewtopic.php?p=740155#p740155

any new news today... have to say a bit thin on the ground in general everything is moving in an electric direction.
There is a story today about JCB getting permission from their friends in high places, to run their hydrogen combustion engine JCB on the roads of the united kingdom to get them to site. Goodness knows where they get the hydrogen from. Should really go on the Hydrogen thread but finding new news on the e-fuels front is a bit sparse today, so here it is...

https://www.commercialfleet.org/news/tr ... n-uk-roads

REgards Neil

[bobins]

As ever, an insightful video from Harry Metcalfe (Harry's Garage) on sustainable fuels. Very much worth the watch IMO.

[NewcastleFalcon]

Clear as mud and many legal and regulatory hoops to jump through but one of those in principal things, but the Headline reads...

"Germany and EU compromise on e-fuels discussion"

Not carte blanche for e-fuels to escape the EU's ban on sales of new petrol and diesel cars from 1935, a strict definition likely to follow of CO₂ Neutral e-fuels, and some reports of stringent requirements for vehicles manufactured under the category, to be only able to be run on CO₂ neutral fuels, and be prevented from running on conventional petrol/diesel.

https://www.electrive.com/2023/03/25/ge ... iscussion/

Neil

[NewcastleFalcon]

Not one of my favourite pontificators but Harry from Harry's garage and Harry's farm does hold sway with some, and Mick has put one of his recent efforts about "Everything you need to know about using sustainable fuels" on the energy matters thread here

Link
viewtopic.php?p=763787#p763787

A future thread perhaps....
I-Spy a Synthetic Fuel Pump

Even more of a rarity than an H2 Refuelling Station or a fuel cell car right now

Neil

[mickthemaverick]

Even more of a rarity than an H2 Refuelling Station or a fuel cell car right now

Neil

According to that video there is currently only one in the UK but they do say where it is so not impossible that we can get a picture!!

Bftw

[NewcastleFalcon]

No idea what this stuff is but someone makes it, and you can buy it in Hexham, at a lawnmower-ey type business which I used for turning round in while looking for MKM builders merchant.

Falcon Original
Alpen Alkylate Petrol
apparently better for man, machine, and environment!

Neil

[bobins]

Aspen is ideal for use in such things as lawnmowers and small engine powered machinery as it doesn't go off, doesn't gum up the carb, and doesn't suck up water. It's also bleedin' expensive. It does, however, get the Bobins Seal of Approval for use in petrol powered machinery that doesn't get used that often as it'll pay for itself due to not having to strip the carb or break out a can of 'Start yer bast*rd' every 6 months or so.

[Rp0thejester]

Weren't diesel engines originally designed to run on peanut oil, if that was the case it would of helped to stop global warming. I do remember at the garage doing gas conversations/added to car so could run on gas but not seen a pump for it in donkeys

[CitroJim]

Weren't diesel engines originally designed to run on peanut oil

Indeed it was. In fact old-school diesels with tough, robust mechanical injection pumps will run on any sort of heavy oil. Witness early XUD-engined Pugs and Cits with mechanical Bosch pumps running happily on 100% straight vegetable oil. They'd even run on old chip fat from MaccyDs if you filtered out the lumpy bits...

[NewcastleFalcon]

This has been sleeping for a while so I will waken it up on the back of a chance spot. It's one of those findy-out type of threads.

Some good wholesome stuff in its pages. The subject is given a fair hearing and I used to fairly regularly have a look at what were the latest developments and post them up. This no doubt has appeared at some point. Seven times now! (Link)

HVO

and the H doesnt stand for Hydrogen(close but not quite!)....that has a thread of its own "The Hydrogen Thread" more hyped than anything else in the alternative fuels firmament. (hasn't had a post since last December...so getting dusty in the vaults itself)

It would appear thar HVO is indeed still alive and kicking, and being used by the "Film Industry" in Great Britain.

Spotted on our travels

Neil

[Gibbo2286]

HVO is veggie oil that's been bashed by hydrogen post war some of the little Fergie tractors ran on TVO, (tractor vaporising oil) a mixture of petrol and paraffin.

[NewcastleFalcon]

Volvo have done a nice little job here of going through the options for trucks.

page 3 deals with HVO pros and cons and the rest the other possible alternative fuels each with pros and cons.

https://www.volvotrucks.com/content/dam ... d-cons.pdf

Volvo themselves have developed their trucks to utilise a variety of fuels

https://www.volvotrucks.com/en-en/news- ... rucks.html

Volvo Trucks has one of the industry’s broadest ranges of renewable fuel options, including biodiesel(B100), HVO (Hydrotreated Vegetable Oils) and biogas. B100 is now available for a wide selection of engines in the Volvo FL, FE, FM, FMX, FH and FH16 models.

Neil

[NewcastleFalcon]

HVO, being used on the Railways of Great Britain.

https://www.railfreight.com/railfreight ... -hvo-fuel/

Neil

[Paul-R]

When I follow that link I can see the page clearly for a fraction of a second and then it defocuses. The page also resists being scrolled in this state.