Double hydraulic stops

[DS9]

Thanks for that. I never quite realised it would be such an absolutely crazy price and I suppose a mix of reasons including those you mention. I thought it may have been £2,000-£3,000 As a cost option it's £1,000 to fit it over what is standard and there must be some profit in that, but in this case the standard fit is already there, this adds cost, and then the spare part prices must have 100% uplift in them at least. It's also going to be messy too with the car already assembled. At first I thought your labour quote may be far too high but it's gonna probably be that ballpark.

I suppose i'll just have to keep on trying to find a solution. I have insulated the rear wheel wells behind the plastic surrounds heavily, quite a simple job to do once I got the hang of things, and had the confidence to remove the full wheel plastic, it's just about 8 screws and a bolt. Apart from a thin inner layer of insulation over the plastic there was nothing else there apart from bare metal. Theres maybe 5kg in each. Dodomat and closed cell foam. I need to go back to the front and redo them better, i didnt take off the whole plastic last time, just took out a few screws and did about half of it closest to the cabin.

But there is something still on the front passenger side suspension or around there making noise, going over a similar size bump is definitely much louder than on the drivers side.

[GiveMeABreak]

Yes, with the system fitted as OEM, you would only be paying for the separate ECU and sensors and their fittings with the separate camera and loom - again which would be fitted at factory - so only the costs in the equipment differences and little more in the way of labour and programming - as it it now everything is to dismantle existing, refit, reassemble and programme, so far more labour intensive.

[DS9]

Just an update on this. After an age to even get the car in for a service which has finally been done I got a call Friday afternoon to say they are agreeing to change the bumps stops/ buffers and have ordered the parts. They arent sure when they'll arrive. He's calling me back Monday to give me a timeframe and decide if i can return the courtesy car or hold onto it for a few more days.

I have an E-C4 at the moment. Feels a bit downmarket vs mine, but I will say it does ride better.

Thanks for your help with this.

[GiveMeABreak]

No problem, I'd be interested to work out why the incorrect ones were fitted in the first place - IIRC and am remembering the right thread

[DS9]

I would too. The dealer doesnt seem to know, or else they arent telling me anyway if they do. I think it might be supply problems at the factory due to covid, but it could be anything really.

I was wondering would these bump stops be seen as a passive ( a last resort over big bumps) or active (they work a lot) part of the suspension? Eyeballing them the clearance between them and the plate underneath can't be anything above 10mm so I'd expect them to be working a fair amount of time.

There must have been a reason to upgrade them back in Mid 2020.

[GiveMeABreak]

They're more passive, most of the work is done by the shocks - of which they are standard or have controlled variable damping.

[DS9]

I'd generally agree with this but with what appears to be such a close tolerance you can maybe appreciate it does create doubt. 10mm or so isn't much at all.

Regarding the front. I've been on pistonheads and asked a generic question about a reverse OEM search, i.e. can I establish what vehicles in the PSA group use the same parts as mine because I can't find the info anywhere on the internet. One guy has replied and said....

"It is possible to do this on Peugeot Servicebox. Put in the vin, do the search then take the vin out with the little button next to the search and it will list all of the vehicles using that part. I did it all the time in the three years i worked there (2019-22) I think you can do it just by searching the part number too without a VIN selected. I think you'd have to do the same thing on a Citroen dealers system to see the list of their models unless you call a parts hub that have access to all the PSA brands?"

Would it be possible to do this for 9837905080?

[GiveMeABreak]

No other vehicle apart from DS9 has this part, which I think I may of mentioned in earlier posts, but can't remember, but confirmed now anyway.

[DS9]

Ok many thanks for checking.

By the way I had a call from the dealer earlier today regarding the bumpstops and he's gone from "we'll order the parts, but dunno when they'll arrive" last Friday to "the garage is fitting them now as we speak" so encouraging progress on that front. Many thanks for your help on this.

I'm still not dropping the issue with the front, especially the passenger side throwing up a lot of noise, it just can't be right at the moment.

While the cars in I've been given a Citroen E-C4 as a courtesy car, fully charged.

After i spoke to the dealer earlier I emailed him too with a bit more info..... below. Ok I get that a C4 is perhaps setup more for comfort and there is more rubber in the 60 series tyres, but seriously it rides better than mine.....even with rear torsion beam suspension.


We have 100m or so of smooth block paving approaching our flat and we drive through it at 5mph. Driving over this I can definitely feel less of the road in the E-C4 than the DS9.

At 20mph on a very good or perfect road the E-C4 has more road noise in the cabin than my DS9. This is probably because of less soundproofing. I would expect this.

At 20 mph on roads around us which are imperfect the E-C4 rides a lot quieter. In the DS9 it seems like over every little hump/ bump/ undulation thuds and sends far more noise into the cabin, especially on the front passenger side. I'm at a loss to what is causing this.

Like I said on the call a few moments ago for an £18k car (which is what the C4 petrol range starts at with the same suspension as the E-C4) with inferior rear torsion bean suspension to ride significantly better than my DS9 on all but perfect roads is a mystery to me.


Edit: Forgot to say. I've asked them to ask the mechanic to check the front suspension parts vs the servicebox. After you discovered one of the rear suspension parts was incorrect I don't think it's a massive leap of faith to surmise it could have happened elsewhere on the car.

[GiveMeABreak]

Thanks for the update - will be interesting to see what they find and if the replacement parts make any difference...

[DS9]

Your welcome, it's the least I can do.

The guy on about the service box on the other forum has come back to me again with the below. Whilst it makes total sense to me I presume my car is so rare that no solution has been found.

"I was thinking about this today. The 208/2008 and some others had a load of TSBs regarding shocks. If you look up the suspension section for your VIN and go to the section with TSBs and extra information , there is a table of part numbers and the ones that replaced them. Plus Peugeot have a habit of printing numbers on parts that aren't actual part numbers and these extra documents often list these numbers along side the actual part numbers you can order.

This can be why its hard to find definitive answers on replacements.

Id talk to a few dealerships and find one with a knowledgeable parts guy.

[GiveMeABreak]

There's actually only 2 TSBs for the suspension for your specific vehicle showing (the others will be for the other types of suspension system fitted and not applicable), one concerns the 'Policy for the replacement of the front or rear shocks according to the mileage of the vehicle' and the other concerns a 'Squeaking, clicking or grinding noise coming from the upper section of the front suspension'.

There's no replacement parts showing except for the rear shock fixing screw, the rear suspension link, and non -strut parts like the front hub carrier bush, so he may be looking at parts for another vehicle / model.

[DS9]

Thank you very much. Well that is interesting, very interesting.

With my limited knowledge and understanding I presume the replacement policy one is less important, sounds to me like a schedule when the time comes to replace the shocks.

But as for the 'Squeaking, clicking or grinding noise coming from the upper section of the front suspension'.... well this does interest me. With such a low volume of cars is it possible that this emanates from my complaint? That said I have never described it in this way, more of a loud thud when going over even small bumps is my experience....i dont get squeaking, clicking, or grinding on my car.

As for the location of the noise being upper section it's hard to tell but would not surprise me and I did wonder at one stage if it might be a faulty strut mount causing the issues.

Do you think there is any value in me emailing the dealer and quoting these 2 TSB's to him?

By the way I hope you dont mind I copied your reply onto pistonheads, a guy on there was an employee from 2019-2022 and seems to know his stuff too.

Hmmmmm. I was just about to post and then I found this on the internet....interesting

How do I know if my top mount is gone?
Where it is easier for them to identify potential top strut mount failure is when their customers complain of clunking, knocking, grinding or creaking noises, in particular at low speeds when moving the steering lock to lock, hitting potholes, speed bumps or driving over rough ground.

[GiveMeABreak]

You can ask the dealer to look at the TSB for this at the dealership - he should have access to it.

[DS9]

Thanks. I emailed them, if nothing else hopefully it gets them checking the issue.

I don't know if I mentioned but out of utter frustration I emailed the CEO of DS a few wks ago and said I love the car apart from the suspension issues and I'd happily pay a grand to get them resolved. Hopefully I won't have to do that but just hope that going forward they take my concerns more seriously.

Off topic I have noticed something after driving the E-C4 a bit..... which I still have as courtesy car and maybe driven 25 miles in. Even though the infotainment system is a more up to date and more responsive (I think it's IRIS system) than my car and it's good to have knobs for the heater controls in a way it's harder to use than my old system. Might just be the unfamiliarity, I havent played with it a lot. What is lacking is he row of 8 or so haptic buttons I have underneath my screen which make's it easy to switch from one function to another, heat rear screen, turn heating off, android auto etc. As such I don't really feel at a loss not having the IRIS system on my car.