Citroen c3 picasso
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Re: Citroen c3 picasso
Seriously thinking of parting ways with this car . But my mechanic said id be silly to get rid just yet as ive done so much with the car.
Symptoms as follows
Hard pedal not like the normal nice light feeling, 1st gear awkward to engaged gear selection ok once driving , pedal didnt feel like it was at full travel at gear select or change.
The alginment of master to pedal isnt straight its off , mechanic thinks the person before me rode the cluch & at some point had a hard impact regarding pot hole which if an emergency stop was performed then this could of bent the bar slighty which this pedal arrangement seats too. Hope that makes sence
I feel like getting rid of the car but my mate reckons its worth repair again then keep it for a few months then see how i feel then , he thinks its a great car , but at the moment im feeling not so that way. Arghhhhh
Symptoms as follows
Hard pedal not like the normal nice light feeling, 1st gear awkward to engaged gear selection ok once driving , pedal didnt feel like it was at full travel at gear select or change.
The alginment of master to pedal isnt straight its off , mechanic thinks the person before me rode the cluch & at some point had a hard impact regarding pot hole which if an emergency stop was performed then this could of bent the bar slighty which this pedal arrangement seats too. Hope that makes sence
I feel like getting rid of the car but my mate reckons its worth repair again then keep it for a few months then see how i feel then , he thinks its a great car , but at the moment im feeling not so that way. Arghhhhh
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Oh dear Husky So sorry to hear this... Here's hoping the cause of the mis-alignment can be found and easily rectified...
Jim
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Re: Citroen c3 picasso
So with a cuppa & a bite to eat & some searching plus calls from my mechanic ive purchased (again) , both cylinders slave & master not taking anychances, mechanic is getting the other slave refunded what he fitted the other week as its covered by warrenty against failing .plus ive sourced the pedal box which houses the clutch & brake pedal from a 2014 model .
The cost of everything wasnt to bad £65
The cost of everything wasnt to bad £65
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MAJOR UPDATE
So with much better weather today i have now fixed the car.
clutch pedal repair
First task remove the return spring on the pedal
It fell to bits
So with much better weather today i have now fixed the car.
clutch pedal repair
First task remove the return spring on the pedal
It fell to bits
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Above the broken original compared to a new part .
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MAJOR UPDATE
So ontop of the pedal box your will see a 13mm nut & bolt that goes through the brake & clutch pedal metal dowls & nylon bushes.
So removing the 13mm nut with ring spanner & small rachet with 13mm socker get the covers out of the way on the lower driver side dash it opens right up to be able to get your hands in to undo this nut & bolt on the pedal box , someone said it was a fitted pin type which cant be removed , utter billhooks its a nut & bolt , so i slide the bolt out just enough to be able to removed the clutch pedal , this is dine by lifting the pedal then sliding the pedal downwards its a bit fiddly but one your free of a switch which sits top read of this pedal then it can pull pull down and outwards towards you , once you work this out then your know it will go back the reverse way of removal with a little wiggle too.
WOW WHAT A SHOCKER !!!
The bushes in the pedal were worn , so i fitted the new ones , which one bush needed the coller cut so pedal goes back this dont effect the pedal postion at all. New bushes fitted i then refitted the pedal , wiggle push life , then it fell into place , the bolt & nut then in place and tightend up
OH WHAT A DIFFERENCE
Yes indeed the pedal is like new there is no play what so ever , i didnt realize how much there was before till i did this repair , shocking very very i was taken aback by the end result & very chuffed.
Just look at them photos
So ontop of the pedal box your will see a 13mm nut & bolt that goes through the brake & clutch pedal metal dowls & nylon bushes.
So removing the 13mm nut with ring spanner & small rachet with 13mm socker get the covers out of the way on the lower driver side dash it opens right up to be able to get your hands in to undo this nut & bolt on the pedal box , someone said it was a fitted pin type which cant be removed , utter billhooks its a nut & bolt , so i slide the bolt out just enough to be able to removed the clutch pedal , this is dine by lifting the pedal then sliding the pedal downwards its a bit fiddly but one your free of a switch which sits top read of this pedal then it can pull pull down and outwards towards you , once you work this out then your know it will go back the reverse way of removal with a little wiggle too.
WOW WHAT A SHOCKER !!!
The bushes in the pedal were worn , so i fitted the new ones , which one bush needed the coller cut so pedal goes back this dont effect the pedal postion at all. New bushes fitted i then refitted the pedal , wiggle push life , then it fell into place , the bolt & nut then in place and tightend up
OH WHAT A DIFFERENCE
Yes indeed the pedal is like new there is no play what so ever , i didnt realize how much there was before till i did this repair , shocking very very i was taken aback by the end result & very chuffed.
Just look at them photos
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oh what a wonderful plastic part you are ... NOT
So here we go again , another clutch master cylinder fitted in it went in its housing its sort of 5 o'clock then twist up to 2 o'clock thats how it was for me , perfectly in place , then the end connected perfectly on the pedal nipple, this will be the 3rd since my ownership.
So here we go again , another clutch master cylinder fitted in it went in its housing its sort of 5 o'clock then twist up to 2 o'clock thats how it was for me , perfectly in place , then the end connected perfectly on the pedal nipple, this will be the 3rd since my ownership.
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Re: Citroen c3 picasso
BYE BYE RUBBISH OLD FLUID FEED PIPE
So now this new clutch master cylinder has been fitted its time to fit from a 207 yes a peugeot , the fluid feed pipe , this was quickly done with just a little fluid loss , the new pipe fitted like a dream , each end squeezed on to its new home tighter than a mizers wallet . Not only that but each end had squeeze clamps to give it more support to keep them in place , unlike the other absolute crap design of a flimsy flexy plastic pipe that sat over the top of rubber gromits that sucked more air then an old worn out lester diesel pump.
So now ive done, pedal rebuild and all put back , all lower dash put back, nee clutch master slave cylinder , fluid feed pipe , it took 20 mins to fully bleed the air out of the system i can now say FIXED
The photo (ebay one ) is a perfect upgrade for these c3 picassos the lenght is the same but the fittments are so much better . See photos
So now this new clutch master cylinder has been fitted its time to fit from a 207 yes a peugeot , the fluid feed pipe , this was quickly done with just a little fluid loss , the new pipe fitted like a dream , each end squeezed on to its new home tighter than a mizers wallet . Not only that but each end had squeeze clamps to give it more support to keep them in place , unlike the other absolute crap design of a flimsy flexy plastic pipe that sat over the top of rubber gromits that sucked more air then an old worn out lester diesel pump.
So now ive done, pedal rebuild and all put back , all lower dash put back, nee clutch master slave cylinder , fluid feed pipe , it took 20 mins to fully bleed the air out of the system i can now say FIXED
The photo (ebay one ) is a perfect upgrade for these c3 picassos the lenght is the same but the fittments are so much better . See photos
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Excellent work Husky, let's hope you are now in for a trouble free period to actually enjoy the car as Jim does his!!
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Very much secondedmickthemaverick wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 14:43 Excellent work Husky, let's hope you are now in for a trouble free period to actually enjoy the car as Jim does his!!
Jim
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How i blead air out of my system
Ok so theres lots of theroys regarding the bleeding of these systems
Here is how i did mine.
2 clip system. Clear pipe on the outlet into bottle with hole in screw lid pipe goes through this hole then screw the lid up tight pipe is submerged with fluid. Unclip the clip half out next to the nipple/out let pipe, pull the fluid feed oipe out till it stops in a notch ,your feel it stop, let as much bubbles come out, clutch pedal up , once air passes and clear fluid runs out push the fluid feed pipe back in it will click, NOW i worked the clucth pedal for a bit 15 slow steady pumps , i then went to the slave one the gear box, after checking the fluid level was all good, i then half undone that clip next to out let bleed pipe/nipple , pulled the slaves feed pipe back out about half way it will stop in a resesse , i then used the clutch fork and worked this slave , my god the amount of air that came out was unreal, i then heard the clucth pedal make a small knock , i then released the fork arm , clipped back the slave feed line and pushed the clip back into place your know its home it clicks, then felt the ckutch pedal it was firm ! So i tried the bleed thing again but not with the clutch fork arm , unclip that feed pipe clip pull that feed pipe out till it sits in its bit it clips into , no air bubbles just fluid so after a few seconds i pushed the feed pipe home & the clip, went to the clutch pedal , theres now a ckutch, i drove reverse then forward on the drive , seems real good bite point just start lifting the pedal its there. Fingers cross & a test drive later to confirm its all good .
Ok so theres lots of theroys regarding the bleeding of these systems
Here is how i did mine.
2 clip system. Clear pipe on the outlet into bottle with hole in screw lid pipe goes through this hole then screw the lid up tight pipe is submerged with fluid. Unclip the clip half out next to the nipple/out let pipe, pull the fluid feed oipe out till it stops in a notch ,your feel it stop, let as much bubbles come out, clutch pedal up , once air passes and clear fluid runs out push the fluid feed pipe back in it will click, NOW i worked the clucth pedal for a bit 15 slow steady pumps , i then went to the slave one the gear box, after checking the fluid level was all good, i then half undone that clip next to out let bleed pipe/nipple , pulled the slaves feed pipe back out about half way it will stop in a resesse , i then used the clutch fork and worked this slave , my god the amount of air that came out was unreal, i then heard the clucth pedal make a small knock , i then released the fork arm , clipped back the slave feed line and pushed the clip back into place your know its home it clicks, then felt the ckutch pedal it was firm ! So i tried the bleed thing again but not with the clutch fork arm , unclip that feed pipe clip pull that feed pipe out till it sits in its bit it clips into , no air bubbles just fluid so after a few seconds i pushed the feed pipe home & the clip, went to the clutch pedal , theres now a ckutch, i drove reverse then forward on the drive , seems real good bite point just start lifting the pedal its there. Fingers cross & a test drive later to confirm its all good .
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Thank you , its been a journey this onemickthemaverick wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 14:43 Excellent work Husky, let's hope you are now in for a trouble free period to actually enjoy the car as Jim does his!!
I had an idea what it was and this morning confirmed it .
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Thank you Jim ,& thank you for being there supporting me.CitroJim wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 14:53Very much secondedmickthemaverick wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 14:43 Excellent work Husky, let's hope you are now in for a trouble free period to actually enjoy the car as Jim does his!!
It has been a long journey this one & to think worn bushes & the return spring may well of been the whole problem all the time , but i will say the flywheel was very worn so im pleased its been replaced .
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Time to hover the car out now after my cuppa that is.
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Now this is sitting higher than it used too test drive later & a follow up too.
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