Suspension sinks on Sundays! C5 X7 that works hard + 206 GTi HDi (and 406 Coupe and 306 HDi). - MattBLancs

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Yesterday:

Trip to pick up some nice 4.8m long lengths of 3x1" timber with the big trailer:
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Quite an overhang, but tied them together and were fine.

Timber outdoors at the Builder's merchant and the recent weather: sopping wet and surprisingly heavy as a result!

Lots of DIY, then obviously it was time for a tip to the trip!
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Today I started some pressure washing only for the repair (I made a good while back to it) to fail again! D'oh!

So, a spot of hoovering (in the house, top to bottom and in turn) in the blue 308 SW. Much better. Then decided I would investigate the fancy pedals which have always looked tarnished. I thought the finish had failed and they were begining to rust. Popped out the brake pedal item for a closer look...
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Brake pedal before
Brake pedal before
Not very good.

Having the pedal close to my face rather than my feet for the first time, I realised the tarnishing was in fact...

...black paint!? A thin covering, sprayed, very variable thickness over the face of the pedal.

So, a quick tickle with a stainless bristled wire brush and...
Spoiler: show
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That's better! :-D

All three pedals given the same treatment (other two not removed given how little wire brush treatment was needed)
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Under the bonnet, checked fluids. Topped up screen wash (finally used up the last of the stuff that was "growing something" (and had the boiling treatment!)

Under the fabric "engine cover" the steel cover/guard of the fuel filter has some corrosion, so whipped that off, powerfile-ed the corrosion off, phosphoric acid, then a bit of chassis black brushed on. Bolts given a lick of copper grease - don't think they've been disturbed for a good while! Very tight.

Not sure why full filters have such robust shielding around them nowadays - the C5 one is also in a thick steel casing or guard.
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Nice one Matt!
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That sw earns its keep , what a great car it is.
Husky. :? Thinking outside of the box is better than sitting in a dark one.
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MattBLancs wrote: 01 Dec 2024, 19:06 Today I started some pressure washing only for the repair (I made a good while back to it) to fail again! D'oh!
An 'ole!
An 'ole!
What 'ole!?
What 'ole!?
This the repair I think has failed again. Looking back it was March this year I fixed it, it had a few uses since then before failing yesterday.

Off to eBay for a new one!
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Huskyxantia wrote: 02 Dec 2024, 09:13 That sw earns its keep , what a great car it is.
Definitely, yes it's a great car.

We'd rather it wasn't the drab grey it comes in, and I'd rather it was the swift 2.0 HDi rather than the (adequate) 1.6 HDi but otherwise ticks many boxes!

The third row seats are very limited on headroom but very useful when needs must. It's a shame the idea has been dropped. No third row option in my later 308 SW, nor in the 3008 either. It's up to a proper MPV type = 5008 if wanting more than 5 seats going forward.
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My picasso is off the road again , doing my head in it is. Ive just had new flywheel , 3 piece clutch kit & master cylinder ive only done 250 miles since that & the master cylinder went ! My suspision is the pedal . There must be some sort of mis aligenment somewhere , unless its fork & release bearing but saying that even they are new, i did see a seller on ebay selling white nylon bushes that replace the original green ones on the pivot bolt , they fail and cause pedal play so if the master cylinder plunger (if thats correct) is being pushed and pulled any which way but straight i guess it can cause that to fail ?
Husky. :? Thinking outside of the box is better than sitting in a dark one.
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Huskyxantia wrote: 02 Dec 2024, 09:43 My picasso is off the road again , doing my head in it is. Ive just had new flywheel , 3 piece clutch kit & master cylinder ive only done 250 miles since that & the master cylinder went ! My suspision is the pedal . There must be some sort of mis aligenment somewhere , unless its fork & release bearing but saying that even they are new, i did see a seller on ebay selling white nylon bushes that replace the original green ones on the pivot bolt , they fail and cause pedal play so if the master cylinder plunger (if thats correct) is being pushed and pulled any which way but straight i guess it can cause that to fail ?
Frustrating! Do you mean master cylinder (at pedal end) or the clutch end (slave) ?
The master wasn't too bad to swap in my C5. The slave can be either:
- super easy if it on the front if the gear box (BE4)
- gearbox box off same as a clutch change.

My C5 slave cylinder went and it is the latter type so gearbox off.

Not sure about the bush you mentioned but do recall reading somewhere about a pedal bracket bending and things getting out of line as a result. Can't remember what car but I think it was clutch related.
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Pedal end , that part that sits in the bulk head , which has to be twisted into place , im just popping to the car now ive got good light & weather to see if i can spot anythiny that dont look right.
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Your SW definitely does earn its keep Matt :D And doing a great job of it too!
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You can't beat an estate for versatility. I always find they handle better too. I can't understand why they decided putting a hydraulic unit into a bell housing was a good idea. Talk about bloody frustrating. They seem to fail quickly as well probably because of the heat in a confined space with temperature sensitive seals
Who'd have thought 🙄 :rofl2: absolute numptys

What's wrong with the traditional setup that has served well for the past 60 or 70 years at least of a slave cylinder on the side of a box that can be changed in less than an hour. Progress I think not.
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darbuck wrote: 04 Dec 2024, 18:11I can't understand why they decided putting a hydraulic unit into a bell housing was a good idea. Talk about bloody frustrating. They seem to fail quickly as well probably because of the heat in a confined space with temperature sensitive seals
Who'd have thought 🙄 :rofl2: absolute numptys
Almost as foolish as wet cambelts Darren. I quite agree although PSA are not alone in this stupidity. I've had 'fun' with similar setups in a Ford Fiesta and a Rover 75 in the past :evil:

I still much prefer a cable operated clutch although they can have their moments. Xantia 1.9TD cable clips and and needing to be both very small and more flexible than an Access Card to swap an AX cable come to mind :lol:
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Thinking about cable v hydraulic clutches has anyone ever come up with a rod operated clutch which, subject to bush wear, would eliminate the issues suffered by both those systems? :-D
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Yes, the wife's tiida had the same setup the rest of the clutch was perfect. It's bloody annoying. Interesting thought Mick. They all seem to be going auto now with newer cars.which will probably result in the end of the traditional clutch.
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