Marc's C3 Aircross SUV, Rants Raves & Everything Else

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Seeing how 'deep' the tub is (with very high sills) I wonder if the designer had worked on the Dutton Surf, Marina and Commander, and forgot that not many cars need to have such deep footwells?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutton_Cars
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Those steering wheel controls look almost identical to the ones VAG use - which is who every other manufacturer seems to feel the need to emulate these days.

I've only driven two cars with them and just gave up on using any of the functionality as I knew I was going to end up driving off a cliff trying to turn on the cruise control, so just used my feet instead.
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:rofl2: That's about it!

My C5 X7 had a rather complex looking steering wheel and I had many comments form passengers saying they'd "...never seen so many buttons in a car.."

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But on this it was logically organised and had the fixed centre boss, so the controls always remained in the same place when you turn the wheel.

On the left are the speed limiter / cruise controls, a button for night panel activation and phone answer / cut off.
On the right are the audio and media controls - volume up / down, mute, channel search and menu.

These have subtle raised 'bumps' on the relevant button that corresponds to increasing anything - volume or speed, so provides a tactile feel so you know when your finger or thumb is on that switch. The decrease button is always directly underneath on either side. They also have solid bars to separate sections of the controls - again providing a tactile way of navigating the most important buttons.

So these are somewhat easier once you get used to a fixed boss and the layout.

Now on my Aircross, they retained the standard cruise control paddle stalk on the left - which a lot of PSA users are already used to - so that is easy to use: forefinger to increase, middle finger to decrease speed. Press on the end button to pause and resume or confirm speed sign recognition recommendation and set.

But the C4 has done away with that and added more buttons which you can't 'feel' to distinguish which does what and can't easily locate the button.

Perhaps the designers ignored all the practicality of the previous system and thought it looks too dated with the new digital instrument panels and threw common sense out the window.
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Well had a call today saying the Aircross was ready, so went to pick that up late afternoon.

So it went in for a spider's stress crack on the around the high level brake light lens, where the rear washer nozzle protrudes. The lens was filling with water and was getting badly misted up. No issues, was replaced under warranty - they keep these in stock - so what does that tell you? :cry: So may be back for another one in a year or 2!

Next issue was the ongoing saga of the Stop & Start (or lack of both). It had already been in a few months back and the battery was tested and recharged - but on my way home it failed at the second and last set of lights and never worked again. I couldn't be bothered to take it back again, so when the other issue popped up with the lens, it seemed like a good time to get it done at the same time.

Verdict: The battery was again charged for 48 hours and tested, but failed, so a new one has been fitted under warranty.
Outcome: I got caught out - as I'm so used to it not working, but on the way home it stopped at the roundabout as I popped it out of gear - Panic! Then I realised it was the stop start kicking in :lol:

I must say that when I started the car up after picking it up, it really started a lot quicker that before - so much so that I did say 'bloody hell, that's quick' to myself! Not that I'd say it was turning over slowly at all - just that now it's super quick. Let's see how long that lasts - I've now got to decide whether to use it to get my atrocious MPG up a bit or just turn it off and save the starter!
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Does this use the starter when in stop/start mode? Know a few cars now are using starter-alternators which are far quieter and obviously are less likely to shread the starter ring gear over time.

Funny to see starter-generators making a comeback after so many years!
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Apparently not on this model Zel, it has a standard alternator and starter albeit reinforced.

This system also has no power accumulator or reversible alternator - which is why it is probably only going to work when the battery charge is in the top 90% or about without the assistance of an ultracapacitor.

Components of the system:
  • Reinforced starter
  • Reinforced engine flywheel
  • Special battery
  • Battery charge status unit
  • Engine fuse and relay box
  • Braking circuit vacuum sensor
  • Vacuum reserve
  • Button (touchscreen or physical) to activate/deactivate the Stop and Start function
  • Clutch master cylinder position sensor (*)
  • Neutral sensor (*)
  • Management of the load and of the discharging of the battery
  • Management of the restarting of the engine by the reinforced starter
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Still really bothers me that the extra components don't include an electric water pump to keep coolant circulating to avoid a temperature spike every time the engine stops.
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That would be common sense. Besides, you would be forcing the Bank Holiday Breakdown Trucks out of business. There are always good reasons for poor design and longevity.
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Just think of all the recently added-on clutter that can be ditched when we all go electric!
OK, EVs are not without their widgets and toys, but thankfully stop-start won't be one of them.
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white exec wrote:
30 Sep 2021, 11:14
Just think of all the recently added-on clutter that can be ditched when we all go electric!
OK, EVs are not without their widgets and toys, but thankfully stop-start won't be one of them.
When you think about it Chris, EVs have stop/start inherently!! :-D
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Zelandeth wrote:
30 Sep 2021, 10:39
Still really bothers me that the extra components don't include an electric water pump to keep coolant circulating to avoid a temperature spike every time the engine stops.
It's actually quite well managed Zel - there are a load of dependent conditions for it to operate under (either the stopping or starting part) depending on lots of factors, including the outside and engine temperatures, AC requirements of passengers, and time the engine has stopped.

There are lots of factors on the later system that all contribute to the safe operation. The starters are rated for at least 500k+ cycles today, compared to those thirty years ago that were only rated for about 50k cycles.

Newer engine designs with improved bearings and of course essentially the oil that stays on the parts for longer after the engine is switched off - another reason that it's crucial to use the manufacturer-approved oils and service periods - which I'm a stickler for.

I had a chat to my Service Manager when I picked it up and was tempted to take a quote from Robocop "....gives really shi**y gas mileage" or compare it it with the 6000 SUX's 8.2 MPG from the same movie! :-D . But I told him at 46.5 MPG, is was 4 MPG better than my 2.0 HDi X7!

We had a chuckle, but he said it was down to all the extra emissions equipment and requirements now - so has been getting worse not better.

That figures in with all the ridiculously hyped official MPG figures that can be as much as 40 % variance from the published manufacturer figures and reality.

These are the official figures for mine (I've copied them here from another of my posts, so I'll remember where I've put them in future)!

Engines Euro 6.2 (Euro 6.d-TEMP)Low L/100 km (MPG)Medium L/100 km (MPG)High L/100 km (MPG)Extra High L/100 km (MPG)Combined L/100 km (MPG)CO2 Emissions (g/km)Reality Check
Owner Average
BlueHDi 100 6-speed manual5.4 - 4.9 (52.3 - 57.1)4.8 - 4.2 (59.4 - 67.6)4.6 - 3.9 (62.0 - 72.7)6.0 - 5.1 (47.0 - 55.8)5.2 - 4.5 (54.1 - 62.7)104 - 10945.6 MPG

I'm running mostly on country 'Z' roads - little asphalt, twisty, single file, 1:10 hills, cows, sheep, horses...

Explanation Below:

LOW: Low speed city driving, representative of city centre driving, maximum 35mph.
MEDIUM: Medium speed town driving, representative of town or suburban driving, maximum 50mph.
HIGH: High speed rural driving, representative of A-road or dual carriageway driving, maximum 60mph.
EXTRA HIGH: Extra High speed motorway driving, representative of a typical European motorway, maximum 81mph.
COMBINED: A mixed journey average of all elements
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white exec wrote:
30 Sep 2021, 11:14
Just think of all the recently added-on clutter that can be ditched when we all go electric!
OK, EVs are not without their widgets and toys, but thankfully stop-start won't be one of them.
Well we'll certainly need to get a a load more of those mini nuke-powered plants by then Chris - the country will grind to a halt if everyone starts trying to charge their cars.

If the average 240 volt domestic charger draw is 7.2KW - that's the same as everyone switching on 2 x 3KW kettles on at home at the same time! We shall be on a par with the power supply in North Korea before you know it....

I think the PM is finally getting Rolls Royce to start production.
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But none of that should have come as a surprise to anyone. It was obvious that the demand for electricity was going to mushroom with the roll-out of EVs, and that the shape of the grid would have to change to accommodate off-shore wind generation. Both of of these developments have been clearly on the near-horizon for 15+ years now, so last-minute scrambling to rethink generating capacity and distribution just smacks of a lack of forward planning, or a refusal to take informed advice. Are we surprised? No.

As with many services, the extraction of profits and dividends was prioritised over infrastructure improvements — a far call from what urgently needed doing - and was done - immediately post-war.
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The number of wind turbines near us is getting ridiculous - a real blot on the landscape - but worse is that half of them seem to be broken or there's a lack of wind - so a fall back is still needed as it's not slightly reliable.
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Recent trips to, and reports from, France have revealed wind turbines turning wholesale every day there is even the slightest trace of wind, no shortage of goods on shelves or fuel, and HGVs (from many EU countries) busily shifting road freight. The same is true here in Spain.

Absolutely not a case of "Storm in Channel, Continent Isolated".