Used Renault Zoe-can a case be made to buy one?

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Re: Used Renault Zoe-can a case be made to buy one?

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Good job he doesn't live on the 15th floor, try charging it then :-D
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No one who lives on the 15th floor has a personal petrol pump either! :-D

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Yes they have, it's called a Jerry can.. :-D
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I've just checked the tick box form that came with the invoice, can't see anything on this one re. the traction battery.
The form has red yellow and green columns red urgent action required yellow action required green ok/completed.
If the work ticked off has actually been done it includes all the usual top ups, lighting checks, brake disc and rear brake shoes (drums off) tyre tread depths measured and listed also tyre pressures set.
It seems too that they do a video walk round before the car goes into the workshop (ass covering I assume) and they washed and vacuumed it out when finished, complimentary.
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Gibbo came across this posted up on the Electric Vehicles what have you spotted thread. Similar source to the one he bought himself a few years ago. Worth putting on this thread
Gibbo2286 wrote: 01 Jun 2023, 20:27 Up North this in auction.
https://www.bidspotter.co.uk/en-gb/auct ... 0600f2e0b2
You can get a bargain if you take the risk!

Is that spanner light just its overdue a service Gibbo :?: , or potentially something more sinister. They never mention the lease! Not a patch on yours but a few cosmetic scuffs here and there, with no preparation whatsoever for the sale with all that garbage in the interior.
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I think that just telling the user that servicing is needed/overdue. the car doesn't have an mot so it's probably been sitting for a while. The mileage is near double mine but consistent with the normal mileage for a car of that age.
If it wasn't so far away from me I might have had a bid just for fun. :-D
Ps> At that age I'd guess the battery is leased.
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Did an mot search on it, it does have mot until November.
https://www.check-mot.service.gov.uk/re ... on=yd14gxf
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I asked the auctioneer about the battery condition and ownership status and this is his reply:
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^^^^^^^
That's a rather long winded way of them saying : "Caveat emptor". :lol:
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It will have a battery lease and the company will be RCI who own the battery. Whoever the previous owner is will have an active agreement no doubt defaulted on with RCI. The sale at auction of the Car has no effect whatsoever on the RCI agreement with the existing (previous) owner. That will stay in force and the previous owner will be responsible for the continuing payments of the Battery Agreement with RCI. That is until RCI have received a request/notification of transfer from the previous owner, agreed to it and have carried out appropriate credit checks on the proposed "new" holder of a battery agreement, and have approved a new battery lease agreement.

You just have to read a few threads on Speak EV to brief yourself on the sea of hassle with RCI experienced by many.

The Check Electrical system light could be a huge negative, and a big purchase risk.

Gibbo of course has gone through the new lease agreement with RCI route on a similar auction, but highly unlikely any form filling and official notification of transfer by the previous owner is likely to be available, adding to the complication of the transaction. Until a new lease agreement with RCI is in place the "car" is in limbo, and it doesn't happen straight away.

RCI may be willing for a price to allow buy out of the battery or indeed facilitate a termination in the circumstances of future lease not being offered on the battery on that car.

I have contacted RCI before and spoken to them on the phone in the past. Worth a call or an e-mail outlining the circumstances of this particular sale, and what process would be necessary to achieve a new agreement/ or possibly to free the vehicle of a battery lease arrangement.

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Just for info
NewcastleFalcon wrote: 29 Sep 2021, 11:55 Anyone want to see the Battery Lease Agreement from RCI for a Zoe?

https://myrenaultzoe.com/docs/batteryhi ... eement.pdf

One of the short and curlies walk away clauses
6.3 We shall not be liable to you for damage to private electrical installations, the Battery or the Vehicle where you have failed to comply with the manufacturer recommendations in particular (but not limited to) loss that arises as a result of your:
6.3.1 using charging equipment that does not comply with the recommendations of the manufacturer;
6.3.2 using installations that are not equipped with the correct charging equipment as recommended by the manufacturer;
6.3.3 failing to maintain the Vehicle or the Battery in accordance with the manufacturer/supplier recommendations;
6.3.4 failing to service the Vehicle as specified in the maintenance and warranty handbook;
6.3.5 carrying out repairs or maintenance yourself or through a repairer that is not authorised and such repairs failing to comply with manufacturer recommendations;

6.3.6 damaging the Vehicle/Battery through use in a sporting competition of any type whatsoever;
6.3.7 making modifications to the Battery or Vehicle.
The reality is they will of course just take your money for the Lease payments, and such clauses will no doubt only be examined and evidence required to be provide of compliance should a SOH of 75% be reached, and RCI are faced with a possible battery replacement claim.

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When I bought mine the auction house wouldn't release it until a new agreement had been set up with RCI, not sure if that was the auction's rules or the official receiver.
I think if you can buy the car cheap enough it's better to keep the battery on lease because it's guaranteed for life and as the car is nine years old you never know.
When mine was serviced at Bristol Street Motors they did a state of health check on the battery and it still came up as only 1% down after 8 years and the range hasn't dropped much since, on a full charge it still shows 92 miles to 107 miles depending on how it's been driven.
The battery lease also includes full breakdown service for 'any' breakdown even a puncture or running out of charge, which only a fool would do because the car starts shouting at you when you get down to about 30 miles.
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You popped your post in while I was writing mine Neil. :) I'm aware of the get outs in the warranty, I've never seen a warranty that didn't read like that. :(
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I take it then that you two don't accept the auctioneers words about HPI check not showing any finance on the battery when normally they do show up? :?:
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Fairly recent thread from Speak EV covers some of the difficulties of a battery lease transfer when previous "owner" fails to initiate transfer, unco-operative, or untraceable.
Bought a Zoe, seems impossible to transfer battery lease !

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https://www.speakev.com/threads/bought- ... st-3372092
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