Bipper with ECG gearbox

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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We try! :D I think you're more than eligible for the discount, it's not like you joined & straight up asked for just that, you're mid-diagnostic and finding your current one was a bad clone plus I'm sure Easy will appreciate the business.

Also notice you've an S80 in the fleet, we've had ours for a couple of years now and love it. It's a great towing car, actually feels more stable and secure with a caravan on the back than it does without! Considering whether to sell soon though as it's fairly expensive to tax/insure and not getting the use it should as it's mainly for towing, not sure what PSA car I'd replace it with (actually, a 206SW maybe since that & the van are the only 2AC variants we've not tried!)

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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A bit of an update chaps, and chapettes.

I had an interesting to and fro via message with easyun. Seems that though my clone wasn't even a proper clone the proper clone would probably stumble over the Bipper. He recommended a Multi diag pro+, as they cover all vehicles upto 2015 and don't need an adapter.
Unfortunately he hasn't got any stock until the end of the month, so I found one on Amazon and it's coming tomorrow. It seems to be a similar deal, hours to load software, and may or may not work, but it's another step along the road.

If the main garage had been able to trace the fault I wouldn't have needed anything, but you can't beat having something connected while you tug on wires, to see what triggers stuff.

The S80 was a similar problem to start with, once I got to grips with a vida I found it was a raggy earth on the ABS. Same with the Disco2, bad earth on the ABS. And, holds breath and counts to ten, I wouldn't be surprised if this Bipper is the same. (Thinks to self....... 'Be positive'........but cross fingers anyway.........it can't hurt).

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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Well!! Bit more of an update to any insomniac types who’ve followed the thread so far.

I got the Multi Diag Pro+ today. I’m sure the Proud ‘Pro+’ means something, but I can’t quite find out what it is.
I only ordered it at 11 am yesterday, and it arrived here before 11am today.
They must have been very keen to get shot of it :shock:

Installation was the same ponderous tedium that we have come to know and love/hate with these super scannery things.

I’m constantly amazed at how the inscrutable’s are able to fit so much disappointment in to such small packages. Much more than we ever managed to do in the west.

The Multi starts off with wild claims of how much information is available, and how many vehicles it’s available for, how unusually boastful, but soon moderates itself once it realises all the good bits from the VCI have been removed/replaced and the 1500 expected turns out to be the boring 1000 of yesteryear

A downgraded device driver is brought out of retirement before the process can carry on, and the device driver, white stick firmly clamped in hand, valiantly tries to keep up, but when a stonking question is posed of the Multi, like, “What is the VIN”, it has to duck it’s head and go quiet.

This Multi Diag doesn’t have the ‘global’ view you get with the Lexia, and even though it does identify all the modules, it is only a ‘yes they are there’ type of thing, after you have told it what to expect of course.

The Lexia does try to tell you what faults are attributable to what module. Even though my own clown clone couldn’t I now realise that a good one could have.

I would say that a good Lexia is head and shoulders over this for any French cars it ‘will’ kiss.

The strength of the Multi is geared towards every nook and cranny of the engine module, and religiously keeps track of every burp and fart the fuel system produces. Nirvana for the boy racers, but useless for us stodgy repairer types.

Jack of all trades, master of none, springs to mind :roll:

Anyway, I will press on and see what the morrow brings. :lol:

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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There really isn't a substitute for a full Lexia VCI kit with Diagbox and the special adaptor in your case for the Nemo (being a Fiat). It is what the dealers use, so can't get better than that.

But like all things Count, one can only advise and then let people find their own way. I hope you get a result one way or the other :wink:

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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Indeed Marc, it's a gizmo minefield out here :roll:

I remember when Sundays were a time for country trundles and buckets of soapy water. Now it's a smart phone in one hand and scanner in the other 8-[

It seems to be a game of preventing peeps fixing their own cars, which is kind of understandable when new, but once the cars are as old as us, and the franchises are no longer bothered, we are left to flounder a bit,......... Quite a lot actually.......... Hence why we are drawn to the knowledge of you kind helpful souls on here.

Fortunately SWMBO has other cars to use, so this has developed into a bit of an interesting project for me. I used to be just tired, but now I am re-tired, and, the DWP have given me some time off to blunder about with this. I will track down a decent Lexia3, as you suggest, and get to the bottom 'one way or the other' :lol:

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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Hi, Gang.
The Multi Diag has got me a long way down the road now. I was able to connect to all the modules, global in MD speak is ‘ISS’, who knew, lol.

Engine codes.
P1506 Air con - not fitted so don’t know why that was there.
P0500 Speed signal missing.
P1394 Glow plugs.
U0422 Collision indicator - what collided with what?
U1309 Can-Bus Coms - this is persistent and won’t erase.
U1109 Cam sensor
U1118 Can-Bus Coms
U1113 Unspecified

Gearbox Codes
P1749 Gear position fault.
P0750 Gear will not engage.
U1208 Faulty information from engine.
U1108 Faulty information from engine.
U1213 Faulty information from ABS.

There was one ABS code
P1671 Faulty information from Gearbox.

Three from the BSI. I’ve lost the numbers but were something like.
Problem communicating with Air-con - well it’s not fitted.
Supplier information erased.
No vehicle identity.

The Vin number comes up as a y with two dots over it.

All other modules clear.

I had the cam belt renewed last year, so I went back there, and they said they remembered having to reset something. They didn’t do the reset themselves, they ‘got somebody in’. They do specialise in PSA’s but don’t do diagnostics. The person doesn’t do electrics anymore, and has disappeared.

Now, I don’t know if the things are linked or not but it has always had erratic moments since then.

Having now cleared all the codes the only ones that come back are,

U1309 and P1506. The Vin seems to have gone for good.

It seems to be behaving itself beautifully at the moment.

Does any of this make sense to anyone so that I can work out what, if anything, to do next.

Thanks for your patience,
Jimmy.

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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Well looks like the BSI has been bu**ered about with.

Whatever the 'brought in man' has done would suggest from some of these codes that some of the factory configuration to one or more ECUs has been changed and now the vehicle is uncertain of what is there or it is looking for something it is expecting to be there that isn't.

The fact that the BSI has lost your VIN also suggests some tampering as these do not just disappear when coded.

All those U codes are ECU problems with unrecognised or lack of sensible data - these will have a knock-on effect on other systems as systems share data and communicate on the same multiplexed networks (depending on the system). The BSI is the master controller of the data networks. AS a master ECU itself, it has to know exactly what options are installed on the vehicle to work properly (type of gearbox, type of ABS system, with / without ESP, plus all the other options that can be specified.

At this stage there is not much you are going to be able to do - except, get it to the dealer and ask them to download the BSI configuration which they will do from the VIN (as it is no longer stored in the BSI). Once you have the proper equipment and the BSI configured, it may then help you identify what the actual problems are. That is pre-supposing they haven't knackered the BSI up.

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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Brilliant analysis there Marc.

At least I know a main dealer visit is needed, if not to fault find but to reset the system #-o Hopefully most of this will then 'go away' 8-[

Finally getting to some sensible understanding of what has been going on =D>

Regards.

Jimmy.

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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Ok, so I think this is your best bet, as there is no way from this end to ascertain what has happened, but having the U---- codes and the obvious BSI issue, I think a PSA server download is your best bet to put it back to where it should be, so you can focus on your other problems (or indeed eliminate those that don't actually exist). :-D

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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Well chaps and chapettes. I thought I should give you all a run down on where I got to with this as you have all been so patient and helpful.
I eventually got an all singing super chipped Lexia, but it was of no help. It still would not interrogate a Bipper. Moral, don't expect a specialist reader to work with a 'badged' car like this Turkish Fiat made Peugeot.
Anyway, no reader could have found my problem.
It was discovered by my daughter.
She borrowed the Bipper to move her son out of uni digs because of this corona caper as it was the only thing we had of a van size to go get his clobber.
She found out that as the key is turned in the ignition it was possible to press the the boot part of the key which opened the boot. After that if you went over bump the boot door would bounce open a bit and set off the safety alarm and the engine would die. Once at rest the door would almost close and reset and the engine would restart, only to go into fits again at the next big bump.
I can only guess that when the key is new the rubber is stiffer and this doesn't happen, but as it ages it softens up and this can become a problem.

The fix, then, is to stop and shut the rear door, lol.

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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That is just about the weirdest fault I have heard of. Clever daughter to diagnose it with no electronic aids.

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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You might have required a module that allows the Lexia equipment to work with the 'Fiat' variants. This is the S1279 module. Normally you can get it from Easy Diagnostics, but (following Government advise) at this moment all they are doing is selling digital downloads. The following links shows you such a module on Amazon (I cannot say if this seller is any good or not; I just did a Google search);

https://www.amazon.co.uk/S-1279-PEUGEOT ... B072M177PH

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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Jim's not stocking them anymore James (Robin, Sid?) I asked for my Dispatch.

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Re: Bipper with ECG gearbox

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Tracula wrote:
05 May 2020, 19:14
Well chaps and chapettes. I thought I should give you all a run down on where I got to with this as you have all been so patient and helpful.
I eventually got an all singing super chipped Lexia, but it was of no help. It still would not interrogate a Bipper. Moral, don't expect a specialist reader to work with a 'badged' car like this Turkish Fiat made Peugeot.
Anyway, no reader could have found my problem.
It was discovered by my daughter.
She borrowed the Bipper to move her son out of uni digs because of this corona caper as it was the only thing we had of a van size to go get his clobber.
She found out that as the key is turned in the ignition it was possible to press the the boot part of the key which opened the boot. After that if you went over bump the boot door would bounce open a bit and set off the safety alarm and the engine would die. Once at rest the door would almost close and reset and the engine would restart, only to go into fits again at the next big bump.
I can only guess that when the key is new the rubber is stiffer and this doesn't happen, but as it ages it softens up and this can become a problem.

The fix, then, is to stop and shut the rear door, lol.
Cracking - I'll have to add that one to my list of 'out there' solutions!

Yes the S1279 module is needed for these to properly interrogate the commercial vehicle systems as some ECUs won't play ball for future reference. Keep hold of Diagbox though - there won't be anything wrong with it - only that it needs this extra module that sits in-line between the VCI and the OBD connection port.

Plenty here - as usual I expect quality will vary:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from ... e&_sacat=0