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Hell Razor5543 wrote:
30 Nov 2020, 18:49
Gibbo2286 wrote:
30 Nov 2020, 18:15
myglaren wrote:
30 Nov 2020, 11:31
A BBC bit about Cornish Lithium.

Stand by for the objectors to come out of the mist, you can't do owt without a protest group forming these days.
When they do appear, could we form an "anti protest group" group? :D
A top plan James :D

I agree that reviving long dormant mines is the way to go... I wonder too if any useful amounts of lithium could be recovered from the old spoil heaps?

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CitroJim wrote:
30 Nov 2020, 18:52
I wonder too if any useful amounts of lithium could be recovered from the old spoil heaps?
I suspect that if you proposed that idea Jim someone else would slag you off!! :-D

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So if a battery could be manufacturered that lasted 28,000 years do you think that would be enough to outlast the metalwork and running gear of your average automobile.... as ever read and make your own mind up! :-D

https://www.energylivenews.com/2020/09/ ... 000-years/

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mickthemaverick wrote:
30 Nov 2020, 18:59
CitroJim wrote:
30 Nov 2020, 18:52
I wonder too if any useful amounts of lithium could be recovered from the old spoil heaps?
I suspect that if you proposed that idea Jim someone else would slag you off!! :-D

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Just seen this about geothermal Lithium in Cornwall.
Beeb stuff.

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NewcastleFalcon wrote:
30 Nov 2020, 12:27
The extraction of lithium in Cornwal is unlikely to be via "Hi Ho Hi Ho its off to work we go" traditional mining but via drilling immensely deep wells and extracting the "brine". Site on an industrial estate in Redruth already in action
NewcastleFalcon wrote:
14 Oct 2020, 15:55
Lets pop down to Cornwall. This must be one of the most oddly named (former) Tin Mines in the Country.
Its near Redruth and very near the United Downs Industrial Estate where an important pilot project to extract Lithium from two deep wells drilled many kilometres into the underlying granite rocks is taking place.

Energy Matters Global and Domestic has the tale.
Hence my comments a few posts back :-D Underneath an anonymous unit, on an anonymous industrial estate in Redruth the pilot is already happening.

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Gave this a thread of its own Something's happening in the UK at last and its in my back yard.
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The giga factories need to be able to produce not just the current technology dominant Li-ion, but as better batteries evolve, to seamlessly move to manufacturing the better batteries.

Whatever opinions are about the policy action taken by governments all over the world to move away from vehicles burning fossil fuel, it is a catalyst towards innovation. Even the "hybrid kings" Toyota, as well as still having a toe in the water on fuel cell innovation, also have plans to take the lead in solid state battery ev's and according to this
Toyota plans to be the first company to sell an electric vehicle equipped with a solid-state battery in the early 2020s.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Techno ... 2021-debut

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CATL Putting $3 Billion Into 3 New Battery Factories, LG Chem (now LG Energy Solution) Doubling Its China-Made Battery Production

Great news for the UK, about the first gigafactory for battery production to be located in Blyth. Will it happen with the pace of the developments by the current big players in the EV, and Energy Storage Battery world. More than likely not, but lets hope the talk turns to action quickly as a first step.
Tesla sold 500,000 electric vehicles in 2020, but intends to scale up production to 20 million vehicles a year before 2030. Yes, 20 million a year. The top selling automaker in the world in 2017 was Toyota, with 10.2 million sales. Will Tesla be able to reach production of 20 million vehicles a year by 2030? Who knows? But if it does, it will depend heavily on huge and fairly rapid production capacity increases at the world’s top battery production companies.
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Richard_C wrote:
19 Jan 2021, 12:53
Game Changer! 5 minutes per 100 miles charging.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ging-times
Richard linked to that article, just a bit more on the Company concerned, from the horses mouth, Doron Myersdorf, StoreDot CEO.



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Read that, too, this morning.
A whole new ball-game, and implications for power distribution.

Interesting technical echo of the shift of transistor technology from germanium to silicon.

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Hell Razor5543 wrote:
21 Jan 2021, 20:56
This looks promising;

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/technol ... d=msedgntp
The two recent stories from Storedot , and Penn State on developments which may result in more rapid charging are covered here by Cleantechnica. I always give the comments sections a bit of a scan. Some of it is just provocative
but some good points are made. Some negativity about the Penn State introducing a "self-heating" element within the batteries to raise their temperature prior to charging.


StoreDot, Penn State Announce Batteries That Recharge In Under 10 Minutes

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Excellent news for Sunderland!! :) =D>