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Over in the US, Stellantis' Jeep brand conjuring up some nice images with their own charging stations out in the wilds.
Rivian too like to have that go-anywhere adventure image too.
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Took the 15 minute charge up podpoint/VW/TESCO freebie at TESCO's at Berwick. Could have had more á la gibbo, but for that you need a smartphone and the podpoint app.

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NewcastleFalcon wrote: 24 Sep 2022, 19:48 Took the 15 minute charge up podpoint/VW/TESCO freebie at TESCO's at Berwick. Could have had more á la gibbo, but for that you need a smartphone and the podpoint app.

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Charged mine on Friday at Tesco whilst shopping with a friend, surprised to see that it was fully charged when I came out and the range was saying 106 miles. :)
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Battery Swap.

In the EV news with NIO leading the way and bringing it to Europe, Norway first, but also launching in Germany and an ambition to develop 1000 swap stations outside China by 2025 with most of them being in Europe. NIO are quite bullish about their European strategy. They have established a factory in Hungary to build the Nio Power Swap Stations. All their eggs are not in the one basket, and while 50% of Nio owners in China opt for a Battery lease model, outright purchase of the battery as is the current norm in Europe as of now is also offered. Either way NIO vehicles will also access "normal" on the road, and home charging.
NIO EV Offering Way Ahead Of BMW, Mercedes-Benz And VW: Co-Founder
Qin Lihong says NIO's products and services give it a lot of confidence to compete with German automakers on their home turf.
The main detractors from Battery swap cite inefficiencies in throughput capacity compared to supercharger facilities, high capital cost of each battery swap station and ongoing maintenance and the quantity of batteries required in stock at the stations, and their ineffective use.

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The cost of charging an electric car has surged due to the rise in energy prices, prompting fears it will put off drivers from buying them, the RAC said.

It said electric car (EV) owners who use "rapid" public charging points were paying almost the same for electricity as they would for petrol per mile.

Charging the cars at home is cheaper, but domestic bills are also rising.
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myglaren wrote: 26 Sep 2022, 11:14
It said electric car (EV) owners who use "rapid" public charging points were paying almost the same for electricity as they would for petrol per mile.
Already the case now with some charging point operators. Osprey are charging £1/kWh as the Falcon tab packet (rear of) calculations illustrate.
NewcastleFalcon wrote: 16 Sep 2022, 10:07 Osprey Charging to increase its rapid charging rate to £1 per kWh.

Osprey will move onto the only if desperate list with that move. Currently NCC (35p/kWh) and Chargeplace Scotland (30p/kW) seem good value in comparison for on-the-road charging.

To translate £/kWh into a more recognisable £/litre equivalent you have to assume an energy consumption figures for an electric car/petrol car. If we assume 4 miles/kWh for electric (the more efficient ones may get over 5, the heavy un-aerodynamic over-large bricks get well under 3.) and petrol at £1.70/litre

Electric...At £1.00/kWh (on-the-road rapid charging) that's 25p/mile
Electric At £0.34/kWh (home charging) that's 8.5p/mile

Petrol a car doing 10 miles/litre (45 mpg) would be 17p/mile
Petrol a car doing 12.5 miles/litre (56.25 mpg) would be 13.6p/mile
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Basically those figures indicate that already electric cars for long journeys are not viable in my world. I would never want to stop for more than 15 minutes on my drive to Scotland or the South of France which means rapid charging is the only viable way but will cost more than my 45 mpg petrol car which I'd rather have anyway so I won't be making the change anytime soon!! :( :? :)
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An article which will interest followers of this thread: :(

https://www.parkers.co.uk/electric-cars ... a4dfd5dbb9
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I just saw this posted just over a week ago, but actually made back in Sept. 2021, so before the additional factor of rising electricity prices that now put EVs on a near charging / refuelling cost parallel with petrol vehicles.

I am also glad he mentioned new diesels produce less VOCs than Hybrids and EVs IIRC.

However the real meat on the bones is the charging strategies and battery management, often glazed over it seems, but with a recommendation not to let it fall below 20% and not to charge it above 80% is another consideration and something that really needs to be resolved before I'm ever convinced.

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mickthemaverick wrote: 03 Oct 2022, 19:07 An article which will interest followers of this thread: :(

https://www.parkers.co.uk/electric-cars ... a4dfd5dbb9
I just checked my total annual cost of fuelling the Zoe 4/10/21 to 3/10/22 , at home £88.37, at public chargers £0.00, thanks Mr Tesco. :) All recorded o the Pod-Point app.
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The Truth About Electric Cars: Dispatches

Did my comments on that back in November when it first came out, don't think a second viewing will change my opinion! There is plenty of first-hand experience on the FCF, (well 3 members anyway), and most people who go electric love it!

All the development is one way, and yes the infrastructure will evolve, petrol and diesel have had 100 years head start, and in the first 10 years barely got out of the cans at the hardware store stage. :-D
NewcastleFalcon wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 12:09
Gibbo2286 wrote: 23 Nov 2021, 11:28 I see channel four are going to do one of their exposes on Friday, they always tend to be aimed to prove a predetermined agenda.

Channel 4 Fri 26 Nov
The Truth About Electric Cars: Dispatches
Here's a bit of a spoiler,
Not so much the "only as green as the grid is", or lithium/cobalt mining, or battery scrapping or tyre and brake dust, or exported emissions from making them in China or indeed Germany or the USA with their dependence on Coal but...

:-D
...A nice swipe at "hybrids" with a bit of tailpipe emissions probing, revealing their "shock" findings.

and then,

...they go on and discover the patently obvious out-of-order charge points story, and some that have been out-of-order for years. I could easily rack up half a dozen without trying round here, mainly the old charging posts, installed years ago, and run by management companies which have been taken over and superceded. Charge your Car (CYC) are a case in point, absorbed into the "Polar Plus" network, and that turning into BP Pulse, and to be honest BP Pulse don't even realise some of the old charge posts still exist.

I don't see it as too much of a problem, the infrastructure is expanding it will get better than it is in 2021, and there will be more large hubs more effectively maintained.

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mickthemaverick wrote: 03 Oct 2022, 19:07 An article which will interest followers of this thread: :(

https://www.parkers.co.uk/electric-cars ... a4dfd5dbb9
Prices for fuel are up and down and all over the place. Whether that is petrol/diesel or electric. Early adopters of electric have enjoyed zero-cost electricity for me (NCC 1.5 years free, 2.5 years free Chargeplace Scotland), and some outlets as per Gibbo's Tesco continue to do the free charge ups via the pod-point app. On-the-road charging as of now is pushing parity with petrol and diesel especially for the heavy inefficient EV bricks, but home charging at the cap unit rate is still half the price. Where the price differential will go is anyone's guess. A major petrol price hike is always just around the corner and is to the advantage of many producers to maintain a high price.

I could quote myself from previous comments on the thread, that in the long run I make no assumption that electric fuel on-the-road after taxation catches up, will be any different from petrol and diesel. Of course, with a bit of solar home generation once you enter the 2/3rds of their useful life phase after the capital cost has been recouped you can fill up the tank for next to nothing without paying your money to the man.

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Not Artisan that is bankrupt but the makers of Andersen charging points.
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I'm sure this will be of interest to followers of this thread! :-D

https://www.parkers.co.uk/electric-cars ... a4dfd5dbb9
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mickthemaverick wrote: 17 Oct 2022, 19:14 I'm sure this will be of interest to followers of this thread! :-D

https://www.parkers.co.uk/electric-cars ... a4dfd5dbb9
Déjà vu
NewcastleFalcon wrote: 04 Oct 2022, 17:56
mickthemaverick wrote: 03 Oct 2022, 19:07 An article which will interest followers of this thread: :(

https://www.parkers.co.uk/electric-cars ... a4dfd5dbb9
Prices for fuel are up and down and all over the place. Whether that is petrol/diesel or electric. Early adopters of electric have enjoyed zero-cost electricity for me (NCC 1.5 years free, 2.5 years free Chargeplace Scotland), and some outlets as per Gibbo's Tesco continue to do the free charge ups via the pod-point app. On-the-road charging as of now is pushing parity with petrol and diesel especially for the heavy inefficient EV bricks, but home charging at the cap unit rate is still half the price. Where the price differential will go is anyone's guess. A major petrol price hike is always just around the corner and is to the advantage of many producers to maintain a high price.

I could quote myself from previous comments on the thread, that in the long run I make no assumption that electric fuel on-the-road after taxation catches up, will be any different from petrol and diesel. Of course, with a bit of solar home generation once you enter the 2/3rds of their useful life phase after the capital cost has been recouped you can fill up the tank for next to nothing without paying your money to the man.
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