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Mostly of interest to members in Scotland, (plus Neil) Scotgov has selected SWARCO eVolt as the new provider for Chargeplace Scotland, to replace Charge you Car as of July:

https://www.transport.gov.scot/news/swa ... -scotland/

Chargeplace Scotland chargers are predominately owned and maintained by local councils and in a few cases businesses, but operate under the Charge Place Scotland umbrella with unified access and billing via RFID card and app.

This backend authentication, billing and app service was previously provided by Charge your Car who I think have been owned by Chargemaster for a while, but they will be out as of July.

What this means for existing RFID cards, what new app might be available for phones, (since CPS didn't have their own app and just let people directly use the CYC app) and whether roaming between CYC and CPS users will stop is not known at this time. Hopefully its a seamless transition for existing users of the network.

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Mandrake wrote:
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Mostly of interest to members in Scotland, (plus Neil) Scotgov has selected SWARCO eVolt as the new provider for Chargeplace Scotland, to replace Charge you Car as of July:
Thanks Simon. I'm still in the Chargeplace Scotland club, but haven't been over the border this year yet. Kelso is a good place for a try out, if the charger doesn't work with my existing chargeplace Scotland card (which it should) that one accepts a bank card.

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07 Mar 2021, 16:26
I thought I'd be sneaky this afternoon and drive SWMBO to the shops to get our supplies so duly dropped her outside the door at Morrisons and parked up in the disabled bays with her badge. I then left the car and wandered over to the two charging bays thinking I might get the elusive 21 plate BEV!! Sadly when I got there, no 21 plate to be seen, in fact no BEVs at all:

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so rather than have a wasted journey I thought I'd go and have a look at the instructions and costs etc. So is this representative?

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Its pretty standard although that fixed charge comes into play, the more you charge the less it inflates the Price/kWh. For me it takes the 30p per kWh to around 37.58p per kWh.

I have used Morrisons Geniepoint chargers on quite a few occasions. With having a 24kWH battery on the Leaf which translates into a usable 22kWh, and you never run down to 0 kWh when you drive an EV, I operate in the range 20% to 80% of usable battery capacity. So my charge would be from 4.4kWh to 17.6kWh= 13.2kWh.

That would cost me £1.00 plus £3.96= £4.96 (37.58p per kWh) equates to roughly 50 Miles.
Lets say the Micra gets 10 miles/litre Petrol at £1.25= £6.25 equates to 50 miles.

Little bit of a saving but I regard "on the road" pay-for chargers to be roughly equivalent to petrol and diesel.
Prices are often 39p per kWh, and even higher on motorways. If you are in a "club" you can get lower price per kWh eg BP Pulse. At home normal electricity supply for me would be 15p per kWh, but special tariffs with smart meters can reduce this considerably. As I have a convenient and, as of now, free public 7kW charger, I have never once charged at home so far.

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On the back of the Geniepoint chargers at Morrisons more on their way with a partnership with Premier Inn. They are part of Engie EV Solutions. Engie SA is a French multinational electric utility company, headquartered in La Défense, Courbevoie, and nearly 1/4 owned by the French State.
https://evsolutions.engie.co.uk/2021/01 ... emier-inn/

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ENGIE partners with Premier Inn for nationwide roll-out of high power GeniePoint Network EV charging points

January 2021 – ENGIE, leading energy and services specialist, has secured a new contract, to deliver 1,000 high power electric vehicle charging points across Premier Inn hotels, in what is the biggest roll-out of high power EV chargers in the hospitality sector across the UK.

Whitbread – owner of the Premier Inn hotels, as well as Beefeater and Brewers’ Fayre restaurants – has appointed ENGIE to install high power GeniePoint charging points nationwide, with 600 committed across 300 hotels over the next three years.

Access to the charging points will be for guests, as well as members of the public using the GeniePoint Network – one of the largest national EV networks. The company will install high specification 50kW+ chargers that replenish electric cars in just 30 minutes with 100% renewable energy.
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Any indication of the pricing structure aimed at their captive audience ? Or will it be a case of 'Book your xxKw/h online in advance to save ££££s' ? :)

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bobins wrote:
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Any indication of the pricing structure aimed at their captive audience ? Or will it be a case of 'Book your xxKw/h online in advance to save ££££s' ? :)
I would anticipate the same rate as at the Morrisons sites. They would probably be better off installing a series of slower charging posts alongside bays in their carparks to allow more users to benefit. Cars will be parked overnight so might as well be plugged in to charge on a 7kW post. The flow through of hotel guests with EV's wanting to use a single 5okW Rapid charger like the ones at Morrisons could be pretty poor, and be blocked more often than not, particularly if they allow the likes of me with a card to use them as well as hotel guests.

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I've noticed these appearing on the Northumberland free rapid chargers.

The chargers are available at over 20 locations dotted around the County from Berwick to Tyneside and out to the West along the Tyne valley.

Looks like preparations are in place for charging with those little boxes being added recently. Still free just now and so far I have enjoyed 16 months of free charging on those rapids but charging is on its way. Only to be expected, haven't heard the price/kwh or proposed implementation date.
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Interesting development - a partnership between Ecotricity and Gridserve:


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Probably the most active energy company in the Electric Vehicle world, and already a large player in the domestic energy market.

They also announced recently a tie up with an important wing of the electric vehicle charging infrastructure Ionity.
They describe their link up as the "Octopus Electric Juice Network" with the idea that an "Octopus Electric Juice" RFID card can be used at all chargers. My guess is that it is effectively an "Octopus bank card" / and "Octopus Loyalty Card" and linked in conveniently with with your Octopus energy bill.







Octopus are a bit of a "unicorn" company, growing fast, and expanding globally.
Pioneering "Powerloop" Vehicle to Grid
Electric Car Tariff Solutions smart charging and smart tariffs
Octopus Electric Vehicles a service for acquiring electric vehicles/salary sacrifice schemes/business and personal

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VW at its "Power Day" today also made some announcements about infrastructure
https://www.teslarati.com/volkswagen-power-day-summary/
CHARGING NETWORK FUELED BY PARTNERSHIPS WITH BP, IBERDROLA, ENEL

Volkswagen isn’t only working on its battery plans. The company also is working on expanding its charging platform by calling upon European power companies to help with the rollout. Partnerships with IONITY and BP will establish 8,000 new charging points throughout Europe. Additionally, 4,000 150 kW chargers will be installed at BP and ARAL service stations in Germany and Great Britain. Spain-based Iberdrola will assist Volkswagen with main traffic route coverage in Spain, and Italian company Enel will help with main and urban motorways in Italy.
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From weighty matters announced by VW more local news

Newcastle Falcon Unplugged :!:

No not my album of Acoustic Blues Classics learned in lockdown, but unplugged at the charger.

Didnt mind really, the car was finished and I maybe turned up 20 minutes late but....did they do it properly :?:

It has to be disconnected at the car end first before it is released from the post. Hope they didn't try to rive it out from the post end first :-D

Anyway if you want to see how far I have got on with the blues classics. This is the one I am trying to learn.



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Something to Yell about

Tidal powered cars driving Scotland to net zero

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Moving pictures too



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NewcastleFalcon wrote:
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Something to Yell about

Tidal powered cars driving Scotland to net zero

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Does this mean they'll all wave at us as they drive by ? :-D

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It was going to happen sooner or later, the freebie is coming to an end, and NCC are to introduce charges pretty much in line with the rest of on-the-road EV charging.

35p/kWh with my Leaf which probably gets 3.6 to 4.2 miles per kWh depending on season and heaviness of the right foot, is around 9 pence a mile.

Petrol at say £1.25/litre and the Micra getting about 10 Miles/Litre (45mpg ish) would be about 12.5 pence/mile.
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