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NewcastleFalcon wrote:
08 Dec 2021, 12:16

.......................... on making Hydrogen.


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Cash boost to build first-ever liquid hydrogen plane
TWO TEESSIDE businesses have received significant funding boosts as part of plans to develop a world first plane powered by liquid hydrogen.

The FlyZero project, led by the Aerospace Technology Institute, has unveiled its concept for a mid-size aircraft powered by liquid hydrogen which could pave the way for zero carbon global travel.

It could fly 279 passengers halfway around the world without a stop or anywhere in the world with just one stop to refuel.
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mickthemaverick wrote:
08 Dec 2021, 12:25
NewcastleFalcon wrote:
08 Dec 2021, 12:16

.......................... on making Hydrogen.


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Plain English Mick for the person on the Clapham omnibus, what would have been clearer :-D :?:

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If they were on the omnibus I'm guessing 'isolating' might not have cut it, but how about 'separating' or maybe 'extracting' :-D
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I think I'll just continue making a conscious inaccuracy, in the interests of simplicity. :-D

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Earlier today reading of Elon's plans to convert CO₂ to methane and oxygen for rocket fuel, primarily for the Mars jaunt and as a spinoff to generate oxygen for Marsonoughts.

Not here but basically the same using a Sabatier convertor.
The one-of-a-kind Raptor engines are designed by SpaceX to enable the first Mars settlers to synthesize fuel via In-situ resource utilization. Astronauts could build a propellant plant on the Red Planet to create Raptor engine fuel through the Sabatier process – which involves extracting carbon dioxide (CO2) from the planet’s atmosphere and digging subsurface ice-water to create liquid oxygen and liquid methane to fuel the spacecraft.
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Plenty of CO2 in the Martian Atmosphere for part of the process, only not much accessible H2 unless access can be developed to sub surface water-ice reservoirs, the existence, size, and accessibility of these reservoirs is uncertain. The first part of the process is the electrolysis of water to produce the hydrogen. NASA envisage for a manned mission to Mars, hydrogen would be transported in preparatory cargo-only missions from Earth.

NASA have done a decent enough article here on "A crewed Mission to Mars" here

https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/m ... ssurf.html

We could do with a decent space race, Musk v NASA for a leap forward in innovation.

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In hydrogen news.

Hyundai while having a bit of reorganisation, and reportedly dismantling its combustion engine R&D towards the end of 2021, in favour of a quicker push towards electrification, are still just about ploughing a H2 fuel cell furrow. A bit of European/France based publicity, probably sits well with Europe's appetite for hydrogen developments in its corridors of power.
Hyundai Nexo sets Hydrogen endurance record
On December 14th of 2021, French driver Adrien Tambay drove a stock Hyundai Nexo at for six straight hours in freezing, -6 degree C cold at an altitude of 2,220 meters (about 7200 ft.), completing 190 laps around the International Record Center for Carbon-Free Vehicles in Val Thorens (Savoie, France) on a single “tank” of hydrogen. Tambay covered approx. 413 miles in those six hours, giving him an average speed of more than 68 mph.
Official Hyundai Press Release 22.12.2021
https://www.hyundai.news/eu/articles/pr ... rcuit.html
Hyundai is convinced that hydrogen is one of the relevant solutions for decarbonising society. This vision is shared by many private and public players that we have been able to unite around this project. Hyundai is a pioneer in the development of hydrogen mobility. NEXO, our fuel cell electric SUV, demonstrates the extent to which this technology is already adapted to the needs of greener mobility, whatever the conditions.
Lionel French Keogh Managing Director of Hyundai Motor France
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