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mickthemaverick wrote: 11 Oct 2023, 10:11 I'm getting ever closer to tossing my phone overboard on the next channel crossing!! :-D
I guess the way in which I use mine is assisting in that thought process Mick :-k

To say my phone is critical to almost everything I do is perhaps an understatement.. Was yesterday the first time Bob had seen a phone used to pay for something?

I couldn't live without mine... And Google ;)
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Paying for stuff by using your phone. I'm not a fan. Train companies want you to do that and scan the QR code before the barriers let you out!! Takes at least 6-7 seconds for it to be accepted. It's annoying as it's quicker with a ticket. As for shop payments on your phone, how long will it be before someone figures out how to scam it! They said it wasn't possible with contactless........
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I keep considering it in case I leave my card behind, which has been known, several tomes I have gone shopping only to find I had no wallet with me, it was being given a joy ride in the washing machine, which ruined all the banknotes too.
I hesitate as I don't like 'apps'. Stupid name.
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Bank notes are now plastic, so money laundering is legal I suppose
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This was before they were and an oxblood leather wallet dyed them orange, several times and always several hundred pounds at a time.

I bought a plastic wallet but haven't washed it yet.
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Rp0thejester wrote: 12 Oct 2023, 21:51As for shop payments on your phone, how long will it be before someone figures out how to scam it! They said it wasn't possible with contactless........
I'm a huge fan of payments by phone and use it wherever I can. I'm of the belief, given the 'card' details on your phone are a virtual version of the real thing, that security is better in that even if the scammers get these card details it's useless to them without the phone.

The biggest danger is you having to use the phone under duress (a mugging, say) to make a payment for the scammers but that applies just as much to cash and physical cards...

Fact is, we live in the 21st century and it's great to embrace all the modern tech. that makes our lives so easy - I love it, all of it and I speak as someone not far off his old-age pension...

As for train travel - swiping your phone or credit card to travel around London and buying tickets online is so easy...

Life in the mid -2020s is great :D I love nostalgia but would not want to live in the past... The present and future is just too good - make the most of it!

And social media - I love it to bits.. Facebook, messaging apps. and Instagram are essential to me... Can't live without them...

And this forum of course ;)
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Facebook this morning:

Sometimes I think "wow the algorithm has guessed well" and other times...
Gravel!?! What?
Gravel!?! What?
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Also, 386 comments on that pile of gravel!!!??! And FOUR THOUSAND likes!
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There's something not quite right about that pile of gravel. The grass has started growing up around it, and yet the gravel is still in pristine condition. Any normal pile of gravel would have a few weeds growing out of it and look a bit unkempt by now. I reckon it's fake gravel. I reckon we're being misled ! :shock:
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MattBLancs wrote: 13 Oct 2023, 08:33 Also, 386 comments on that pile of gravel!!!??! And FOUR THOUSAND likes!
Yep! I get the feeling there's people looking at Facebook 24/7/365 with nothing better to do...

Some of Facebook's targeted adverts are clearly the result of Alexa listening to conversations in her presence and what you've recently searched for in Google...

I'm getting lots of kitchen adverts currently, especially from the mob I bought mine from! One time when Robyn and I were discussing baby milk I started to get loads of adverts for formula milk... Only Alexa could have heard that conversation...

It amuses me as much as it infuriates others... Doesn't bother me, I'm all over the 'net anyway, both as CitroJim and under my real name, I'm public facing, gregarious, open and have absolutely nothing to hide or be embarrassed about...
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bobins wrote: 13 Oct 2023, 08:40 There's something not quite right about that pile of gravel. The grass has started growing up around it, and yet the gravel is still in pristine condition. Any normal pile of gravel would have a few weeds growing out of it and look a bit unkempt by now. I reckon it's fake gravel. I reckon we're being misled ! :shock:
PhotoShop has a lot to answer for Robin ;) Never trust anything you might see on the 'Internet... If it looks a bit sussy, it probably is ;)
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CitroJim wrote: 13 Oct 2023, 08:51
bobins wrote: 13 Oct 2023, 08:40 There's something not quite right about that pile of gravel. The grass has started growing up around it, and yet the gravel is still in pristine condition. Any normal pile of gravel would have a few weeds growing out of it and look a bit unkempt by now. I reckon it's fake gravel. I reckon we're being misled ! :shock:
PhotoShop has a lot to answer for Robin ;) Never trust anything you might see on the 'Internet... If it looks a bit sussy, it probably is ;)
I had many of the same thoughts, is the gravel washed periodically? Is the grass artificial? Is it the same photo each day? What are all the comments about ( "glad to see the bird muck on chipping 952 has been washed off in part night's rain" )

Unfortunately answers to all of those would mean clicking on the suggestion and hence confirming it as a good suggestion! :-D
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CitroJim wrote: 13 Oct 2023, 05:06
Rp0thejester wrote: 12 Oct 2023, 21:51As for shop payments on your phone, how long will it be before someone figures out how to scam it! They said it wasn't possible with contactless........
I'm a huge fan of payments by phone and use it wherever I can. I'm of the belief, given the 'card' details on your phone are a virtual version of the real thing, that security is better in that even if the scammers get these card details it's useless to them without the phone.
Speaking from an Apple Pay point of view, none of your real card details are ever stored on the phone once added, nor are any actual card data / details exchanged with the retailer - it all uses virtual tokens that are meaningless if intercepted and cannot be used. So it is very secure, unlike contactless that is not as safe. I use Apple Pay 99% of the time for shopping using my Apple Watch, so I never need my phone or my wallet with me.
The biggest danger is you having to use the phone under duress (a mugging, say) to make a payment for the scammers but that applies just as much to cash and physical cards...
Of course, but there are safeguards in that there is a limit in force for these payments that varies from retailer to retailer.

Fact is, we live in the 21st century and it's great to embrace all the modern tech. that makes our lives so easy - I love it, all of it and I speak as someone not far off his old-age pension...

As for train travel - swiping your phone or credit card to travel around London and buying tickets online is so easy...

Life in the mid -2020s is great :D I love nostalgia but would not want to live in the past... The present and future is just too good - make the most of it!
And social media - I love it to bits.. Facebook, messaging apps. and Instagram are essential to me... Can't live without them...
Very important for some, though personally I choose not to, and I do look at some people walking around oblivious to their surroundings glues to their social media on their phones - very sad and dangerous in some cases. Passed another young person with a dog not on the lead and 2 kids walking down a narrow pavement on busy road in town glued to her phone with no regard to the traffic, the kids or the dog!

And this forum of course ;)
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CitroJim wrote: 13 Oct 2023, 05:06 Fact is, we live in the 21st century and it's great to embrace all the modern tech. that makes our lives so easy - I love it, all of it and I speak as someone not far off his old-age pension...
Just on this note, we do need to tread carefully around this a recent example has shown me where basically you can't have a bank account now without a mobile phone!

:rant2: In my Mother's case, she has hearing loss and does use an iPad for emailing friends and family and for keeping the brain active with scrabble and other games. She doesn't like phones because of her hearing loss so despite having an amplified phone cannot have a conversation with anyone, so this of course puts her off using a phone. She has a PC and uses online banking, but of course this requires a mobile phone to receive OTPs (One Time Passcodes). So I had given her my older iPhone 6 which has a PAYG sim card in so she can use this to receive OTPs.

Problem arose because like most networks, if you don't make a call or use the phone every few months, they can terminate your number and you lose ALL credit without ANY notice. I find that a despicable practice to be honest and no justification for it whatsoever. This happened to her and she realised that she wasn't getting an OTP. When I looked into it I realised there was no service and that they had terminated the SIM.

So she now had no banking access at all. The bank do not and will not use a landline to send a code or code via SMS that some landlines can use. So she was totally stressed out over it all.

As you would expect, I had to jump through hoops to resolve this. Rang the bank explained it was the SIM expiry issue with the mobile phone contract provider and was advised to call back when we had a new phone SIM / number. I decided to use 1P mobile which for a £36 payment gives her free calls and texts for a whole year and 250 Mb of data a month and a reminder when the she needs to renew it in a years' time. She needs none of these, just the ability to receive OTPs.

SIM card arrived and then the fun began as I couldn't get the new phone number added onto her online banking for security reasons - which I fully accept, yet as I already have access to the same bank account in my own right, they still would not allow me to make the changes. That's where I start getting annoyed. Anyway we finally had to get the phones amplified up and using me as an intermediary to communicate with mum the questions, managed to satisfy them and pass security checks. But what a faff.

So to avoid all this I've now registered a Lasting Power of Attorney with the Bank, so anything like this in future will allow me to change things like the registered phone number on her account.

I suppose the point being is that until something stupid like a SIM card expiring on you happens, you don't realise that you are totally locked out of your bank!

The other thing related is that in many cases you are forced to use an app from a financial institution to verify larger payments. All good and great until suddenly one of the updates means it is unsupported on your phone because it requires the latest phone operating system software update! You can't then update your phone to the latest version as it is 'out of support' from Apple or Google or Whoever. So now you have to dump a perfectly good phone and spend £300 - £1000 plus on a later phone just to work with a banking / card app.

This to me is where forced obsolescence is becoming more prevalent and the knock-on effect this has on people's abilities to live their lives.
No Phone - No Banking
No Updated Phone - No Banking
No Banking - Can't Function in today's society

And God help you if you have some impairment as that just quadruples the hassle factor.
And for anyone that says just go to the bank - what bank? They've all closed down with the nearest one 20 to 30 miles away. And if you don't have a car, then plan on wasting a whole day that will require a taxi to the nearest bus stop, a bus if you're lucky and repeat on the way home and £60 for the 'phone' of it.

There has to be better solutions to this and I'm not buying / don't believe for one minute that a banking app that worked perfectly well on a phone one minute will not work because of a few updates. I also thing that they should not allow the automatic termination of a PAYG SIM Card without some other notification or warning via an email beforehand to allow you time to make a call or a text! :mecker:
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