Nissan & Renault to merge into one company

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Re: Nissan & Renault to merge into one company

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As I mentioned in another thread, I don't believe Nissan actually make cars any more.
Every single Nissan I've seen in recent times has been a Renault in a frumpy dress.
So owners looking for Japanese reliability have been getting French quality control, French designed electrics and mechanicals, all dressed up in an ugly body. On the up side, they drive very nicely indeed, when they're working. Clio/Micra is a genuinely nice car to drive, compared to K9, which lived up to its name admirably, being both wayward and extremely loyal!

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sparksie wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 00:54
As I mentioned in another thread, I don't believe Nissan actually make cars any more.
Every single Nissan I've seen in recent times has been a Renault in a frumpy dress.


No, I have a Nissan that's a Suzuki in disguise ;) My little Pixo is an Alto...

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sparksie wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 00:54
As I mentioned in another thread, I don't believe Nissan actually make cars any more.
Every single Nissan I've seen in recent times has been a Renault in a frumpy dress.


O RLY?

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They're very much Nissan designs that are on sale in the UK (I'd like to see Renault build anything as accomplished as the GTR!)

And as for French build quality? Have to beg to differ there I'm afraid... Very much Jap build quality comes out of Nissan factories from what I hear/see.

Similar parallel Mazda - might be a lot of Ford design in their European range these days, but the Mazda's built in Mazda factories are significantly better built.
There was a case study while I was at University where Mazda started building a car based on the Fiesta, using the exact same gearbox. Fiesta boxes were suffering from premature failure (I understand the same has been true on one of the recent Focus models incidentally). Mazda's didn't, so they investigated why. Ford assumed that Mazda had re-engineered the gearbox, but they found they hadn't - they were building to exact same design and exact same design tolerances... The difference was that the mean dims of Mazda's 'as built' components was much closer to the nominal, whereas the Ford stuff was within tolerance but all over the place. Just better build quality control.

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Somewhat ironic as Ford were the first to introduce quality control to allow for volume manufacturing - using the advice of Swedish engineer Carl Edvard Johansson.*
The Swedish Wiki entry is much more exhaustive and interesting.

And the American William Edwards Deming brought TQM to the Japanese.

*his first application was in rifle manufacturing and he produced his 'passbitar' renamed Joblocks by the Yanks, on his wife's sewing machine.

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Does this then mean we will get Renaults that work and Nissans that catch fire?

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bobins wrote:
29 Mar 2018, 18:06
Nissault ?? Perhaps Renan ?
I tried to make an anagram of the two names but could only get as far as 'It's An Arse Lunn'.... which doesn't make any sense :lol:


Renanissaunce

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Michel wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 14:23
Does this then mean we will get Renaults that work and Nissans that catch fire?


:lol:

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van ordinaire wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 22:53
Assuming there is a next generation of Vauxhall vans,


New berlingo, with a vauxall front end

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van ordinaire wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 22:53
tradionally, VX isn't a van manufacturer (well not for a very long time). Meanwhile, we could end up with a similar situation to that in the US when MB bought Chrysler which was then marketing (what to us, were) Talbot vans as Dodges - so they stuck 3-pointed stars on them!


There's a big plant in luton making Renault Traffics as Vivaro's..... same van can be bought as Nissan's & Fiats

I think the last Vauxhall design was the Bedford CF which got badged as an Opel, finshed 1986 ish ?

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wurlycorner wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 23:31
van ordinaire wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 22:53
wurlycorner wrote:
30 Mar 2018, 16:59
I'd expect the next generation of Vauxhall vans to be based on the PSA van range, rather than Renault, anyway?


Assuming there is a next generation of Vauxhall vans, I mean, tradionally, VX isn't a van manufacturer (well not for a very long time). Meanwhile, we could end up with a similar situation to that in the US when MB bought Chrysler which was then marketing (what to us, were) Talbot vans as Dodges - so they stuck 3-pointed stars on them!


au contraire... Vauxhall's made vans for yonks (used to go under the Bedford name).


Sorry, I was referring to VX badged vans!

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Actually, I think the CF was a Bedford badged Opel Blitz, a model (name) that probably pre-dated the CA. In the same way as the all new Transit (to replace the 400E - originally a Thames) was just the latest version of the well established Koln model.

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sparksie wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 00:54
As I mentioned in another thread, I don't believe Nissan actually make cars any more.
Every single Nissan I've seen in recent times has been a Renault in a frumpy dress.
So owners looking for Japanese reliability have been getting French quality control, French designed electrics and mechanicals, all dressed up in an ugly body. On the up side, they drive very nicely indeed, when they're working. Clio/Micra is a genuinely nice car to drive, compared to K9, which lived up to its name admirably, being both wayward and extremely loyal!


Really? Shows how much attention I pay to anything bearing a Nee-San (just lerve the 'Mer'can pronounciation) badge!

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wurlycorner wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 09:50
(I'd like to see Renault build anything as accomplished as the GTR!)


Alpina?

Oh, & I think that pick-up is now available as Renault's entry into this lucrative market.

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Tonight's episode of Top Gear has a short feature on the new Renault Alpine. It would have been a longer feature but the car caught fire and completely burnt out during filming. :lol: Wonder if it was a wiring fault ? :rofl2:

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bobins wrote:
01 Apr 2018, 09:32
Tonight's episode of Top Gear has a short feature on the new Renault Alpine. It would have been a longer feature but the car caught fire and completely burnt out during filming.


Well I never, a Renault that caught fire. Whatever next?!

My R5 GTT
My Uncle's 5 TC
My girlfriend's 5
My brother's 18
My dad's 16,000km, less than a year old Twingo
A friend's 2003 Laguna
My Renault 4 powered special.

These are the Renaults I've known over the years,and they all went up in flames.

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van ordinaire wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 23:11
wurlycorner wrote:
31 Mar 2018, 09:50
(I'd like to see Renault build anything as accomplished as the GTR!)


Alpina?


Great looking car, but not in any way as accomplished as the GTr. The Alpina is a very basic car (not saying that makes it not good in its own right - but it is for a very different market).