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If the relevant agencies/bodies were to get their act together it could be possible to (over time) clean up the atmosphere fairly effectively. In each of the major towns build a large rail distribution/shunting yard. Then move as much of the road borne goods onto the rails. Have the supermarkets use electric vehicles to move their goods from the rail yards to the stores. Done properly (with sufficient guarantees to minimise avoidable disruptions) it should help cut down on a lot of diesel pollution (especially if the trains are electric (OK, the generators might cause pollution, but that is another thing to look at in the futures)).

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white exec wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 09:06
If Toyota and VW aren't careful, they'll end up simply being leapfrogged by BYC - and that may be no bad thing.


Did you mean BYD? Chris one of our Chinese friends.

BYC as I looked up in wiki is the verb to be in Upper Sorbian...so to quote Shakespeare....

"BYC or not BYC that is the question?"!

We dont get to hear much about what the Chinese Auto industry is up to, but "Wake Up to Money" did do a piece the other morning on a deal between Geely and Daimler, and edudcated the masses that Geely own Volvo and the London Electric Vehicle Company formerly LTI the black cab firm. Reading the Wiki on BYD they also have a 50:50 joint venture with Daimler AG, Shenzhen BYD Daimler New Technology Co., Ltd., which develops and manufactures luxury electric cars sold under the Denza brand.

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I still have no intention of giving up my diesel CX and C5 though! Low down torque is a wonderful thing and modern petrol engines are so weak in that regard, I hate them!

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Hell Razor5543 wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 09:42
In each of the major towns build a large rail distribution/shunting yard.


Until the early 1960s most towns and many villages had just this James and how you describe your model is in fact very much how it worked...

Goods of all descriptions arrived by rail and then were transported to where they were needed in small vans and lorries. Often the railway companies ran the light haulage operations to/from station to nearby final destination...

Often, if you ordered something large by mail-order it would be delivered to your local station by rail and you'd collect it from there...

The 'Reshaping of British Rail' was possibly the most short-sighted bit of government policy ever...

Don't blame Beeching as so may do. He was simply the scapegoat...

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I've said this before and probably got laughed at but when the streets of London were up to the ankles in s**t they didn't ban s**t they devised a way to move the stuff out of the city and clean it up (or dump it) elsewhere.

I'm sure it's not beyond the wit of man to do the same with air pollution, especially in the most polluted streets, maybe even use part of the same infrastructure, suck the polluted air down the drains and blow it away to some remote area, wash the pollutants out and release it back to the environment.

A job for the likes of James Dyson and Co.

Doing that might be quicker, less costly and more effective that trying to fix the 40 million + vehicles on the roads.

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You miss one massive, massive point in your idea Gibbo...

There's no money to be made for big business...

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Just as an aside, how to Greenpeace activists get about?

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Michel wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 11:10
You miss one massive, massive point in your idea Gibbo...

There's no money to be made for big business...


That's nonsense Mike, political claptrap.

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I've waited a significant portion of my adolescence and a few years in my 20's to get a 2.0 litre turbo diesel..... I won't be driving anything smaller until they make it illegal :o

I'm sure with the adblue technology the NOx issue is largely fixed. The only thing left to do is make the adblue fluid free at every petrol station with the adblue filler cap in the same cubby as the diesel filler cap; not hidden under the boot lining like Citroen have done with their picasso!

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Quite right, Neil - I meant to say BYD (and not BYC) - the Chinese company now supplying double-decker battery buses to TfL, and likely soon to provide electric vans and trucks for Royal Mail.

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Gibbo2286 wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 11:16
Michel wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 11:10
You miss one massive, massive point in your idea Gibbo...

There's no money to be made for big business...


That's nonsense Mike, political claptrap.


Of course it's not. No manufacturer in the Western world was remotely interested in pollution levels until car tax related to emissions became standard across the board. No manufacturer was remotely interested in electric vehicles until that cheeky upstart Musk, who isn't owned by or connected to other manufacturers or the oil industry started making viable ones..It is all simply all down to money and economics. The VW scandal shows this to be true. They couldn't be arsed making the cars actually comply, as it would have cost a huge amount, so they simply fudged the software. Why? So people would buy their "green cars. To believe anything else is simply naive.

To think any private company would be interested in doing such a project to extract pollution from cities without making a mint out of it is also naive. The other issue would be of course if any government were to do It, it'd be a delayed shambles.

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Michel wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 12:18
Gibbo2286 wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 11:16
Michel wrote:
28 Feb 2018, 11:10
You miss one massive, massive point in your idea Gibbo...

There's no money to be made for big business...


That's nonsense Mike, political claptrap.


Of course it's not. No manufacturer in the Western world was remotely interested in pollution levels until car tax related to emissions became standard across the board. No manufacturer was remotely interested in electric vehicles until that cheeky upstart Musk, who isn't owned by or connected to other manufacturers or the oil industry started making viable ones..It is all simply all down to money and economics. The VW scandal shows this to be true. They couldn't be arsed making the cars actually comply, as it would have cost a huge amount, so they simply fudged the software. Why? So people would buy their "green cars. To believe anything else is simply naive.

To think any private company would be interested in doing such a project to extract pollution from cities without making a mint out of it is also naive. The other issue would be of course if any government were to do It, it'd be a delayed shambles.


I never suggested that they would, business is business, I'm sure that the builders of the London sewerage system didn't do it for nothing and whoever did it public or private there would have to be a paymaster to pick up the bill, ultimately the car owner.

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I don't believe all this propaganda about Diesels, it seems that, as usual, someone's jumped on a band-wagon and chosen to be a Sheep....

...are these the same 'someones' who walk or use a Bicycle where possible for short journeys; and who buy local at the Supermarket and in local shops to minimise the carbon footprint of the Groceries that have travelled by Jumbo Jet and HGV?

If we're all so determined to be 'Clean' perhaps its time we thought about all the Nuclear Waste being dumped in the Ocean to produce electricity to power our electric cars and the near-empty large Public Service vehicles of various fuels, which have less people on them than a five seat car could easily carry.

Maybe we should also think about the practicality of electric cars for long journeys and the feasibility of re-fuelling them quickly.

I did note in the current issue of Popular Classics, "Star Letter", Page 22 (with the Minis on the front), that a recent study concluded that from an environmentally friendly point of view, a Petrol or Diesel car needs to be kept on the road for a minimum of 17years and a Hybrid or Electric vehicle for considerably longer to be 'Carbon Neutral'.

I look forward to seeing those that make these rules travelling around in a 25year old Toyota Prius to 'practice what they preach'.

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I remember some time back Top Gear were doing an item on the latest Mercedes S Class. It turned out that it was better for the environment than a current Toyota Prius. Not so much because of the fuel economy, but for the ease of recycling the cars at the end of their working lives. Far more of the Mercedes can be easily recycled than that of the Toyota, and the Toyota had a lot more hazardous substances that require specialist handling when tearing the car apart.