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Yep. The pedal cars are very collectable
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CitroJim wrote:
21 Feb 2018, 17:58
The P8 is a looker too... When I first saw it I instantly thought Jensen Interceptor :)
Did Bache design the Jensen?
Presumably the P8 engine was a larger version of the P6 3.5 V8? Or was it an entirely new engine?
Don't think David Bache had a hand in the Jensen, although he did do a lot else (apart from Rover) including Leyland bus and truck, and I think some work for Saab. He did admire Daytona design, which had an influence on his SD1 and P8. Citroen's DS was a huge influence on P6: put the two side by side and you see immediately; structurally, too - body panels hung on a base unit.

Proposed engine for P8 was an enlarged version of the 3.5 V8. When originally a Buick 'small block' aluminium V8, it appeared in various capacities, right up to 300 cu in (5000cc). Rover opted to re-cast and machine it to 215 cu in (3.5 litre), and over the years opened it up to 3.9, 4.0 and eventually 4.4 litre. At 3.5 litre, so much metal (aluminium) was left in place that the block was nigh-on indestructible.

There were attempts to diesel-ise it (the 'Iceberg' project), but compression and heads were an issue, and it was shelved. An Iceberg V8 is on display at BMIHT Gaydon, iirc.
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Thanks for that Chris, most interesting :) A V8 diesel in those days would have been a real ground-breaker in a car...

Such a shame it (and the P8) never happened :(
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white exec wrote:
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There were attempts to diesel-ise it (the 'Iceberg' project), but compression and heads were an issue, and it was shelved. An Iceberg V8 is on display at BMIHT Gaydon, iirc.
Indeed there is, or at least was when I was there 25 years ago. I found it very interesting.

The Internal Fire Museum of Power in Tan-y-groes told me there were hoping to get one for display when I went there a couple of years ago. I must go and visit again.
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The Iceberg development wasn't all wasted. I think that the crankshaft for the proposed diesel became the basis of some of the larger capacity engines, initially from a separate tuning firm, but later the rights were bought back in to Rover itself. It had thicker journals, which if reduced to the original size but cunningly done on a displaced centre could give a longer stroke. So maybe 3.9 has larger bore, and 4.3/4.4 (5.0?) has this other crankshaft
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Little Video in this article about the sale from AutoClassics

https://www.brightwells.com/news/autocl ... exclusive/

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Time to put your money where your mouth is fellas. Just £2500 deposit gets you a seat at the table, so to speak. Should be an interesting auction.
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Eddie Nuff wrote:
18 Mar 2018, 12:09
Just £2500 deposit gets you a seat at the table


Gish! And gosh too... That's a lot to pay...

Not likely to be any bargains there then...

An auction for the deep of pocket only by the sounds of it...
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Brightwell's reserves are usually set at the top end so figures they will set the bar high expecting auction bids to follow. As it's a No Reserve auction that's not a given so I'm hoping the high 'entrance fee' puts quite a few off leaving a few bargains. That's the theory anyway, which I'm sure will be blown out of the water and leave me with egg on my face. :oops: :roll:
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That £2500 is the on-line deposit refunded in full should you not win any bids, and of course if your wining bid/bids are less than the deposit the balance is refunded. just let’s you participate in tha auction on-line, for which you have to register. Deposits have to be lodged by close of business the day before the auction.

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That's what I said, get's you a seat at the table.
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I phoned up today to ask about the deposit. If you're attending in person then you don't pay a deposit but you do need to register to bid and you need some identification for that. In addition, you have to purchase a catalogue (£20) to bid.

There is viewing all day tomorrow (Tuesday) from 9am - 7pm. On Auction Day the room opens at 9am and the auction starts at 11am. Viewing is possible during this time. The auction works its way through the items in lot number. Which means that it's model cars first, then the pedal cars, etc. There are some 200 items before the cars start and it's still possible to view them while the lesser items are being auctioned.

They were very reluctant to give a time for when the cars might start being auctioned. When cars are normally being auctioned they manage 30 to 40 per hour. This doesn't really help with how quickly they'll work their way through the models though. The best they could suggest is that you would be safe to leave it until 1pm for the cars!

Anybody else planning on going?
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Would like to go in person but the logistics haven't worked out. will be taking an interest in it from afar though but whether that interest turns into an active interest I have less than 24 hours now to decide!

Now if I just decide to watch and "my lot" goes for bargain money I will no doubt be kicking myself. I do think the more likely tale is that it will exceed the amount I think would give me a chance of enjoying it as a project and bringing it back into use, while at the same time offering the prospect of a later resale at increased value.

Maybe an absentee bid is the best way for me. I thought I got the "flavour" of the auction at the ACA auction at King's Lynn last summer. Most lots were going under the estimated price so was hopeful of my lot doing the same. No chance bidding started virtually at my limit, and rapidly went past it.

Quote from the Brightwells "partner" transporter to get any potential purchase from the auction up here £575 plus VAT! Ways and means of doing it cheaper but probably still £200-£300 at its cheapest.

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Well my 24 hrs is pretty much up, and I am afraid I havent got myself organised enough to actively bid on the auction.

Really needed to plan ahead a bit more, organise the time off, attend the auction in person, properly sort out the money side in anticipation of a successful bid, and have some plan for getting the car home.

I'll be watching the bidding on "my" pick of the sale with interest :-D
lot number 236
lot number 236
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Leaving soon.

See you there?