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You raise some very valid points there Simon...

I can only think those rules were written for motorcycles - where all of the above is possible and can be easily checked without wheel removal - and then accidentally got into the car drafts as well...

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I agree - it means there are going to have to be so many exemptions / exceptions - depending on car model. But, nobody has mentioned yet that with all this 'preliminary reading and checking of the manual against every section for the new changes, plus all the new actual physical checks that will have to take place, how much more time and therefore additional cost an MOT is going to be when the new changes are enforced? I suspect it won't be long before a £100 MOT charge is seen as a bargain!

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bobins wrote:
27 Jan 2018, 11:42
Rather alarmingly, there have been mutterings about moving the MOT to a two yearly test with the car's first examnination at 4 years :shock:


I wouldn't be alarmed by that, I think it's probably fair, although there should maybe be a mileage level included for the rep who does 50k miles a year.

I did MOT testing right from its inception and the three year period at that time was certainly necessary but the quality of cars has improved immensely in all safety respects since then.

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Mandrake wrote:
29 Jan 2018, 13:03
Smacks of someone in an office somewhere with a little but not enough knowledge writing these tests....
I think to be fair that the apparent errors and absurdities probably come from someone in the Autoexpress office badly paraphrasing parts of the new manual. As far as I can make out, the relevant section of the manual is 1.1.14:
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MOT manual
1.1.14(a)(i)- "A brake disc or drum significantly and (not "or") obviously worn.

I'm not sure what purpose the 'obviousness' requirement serves here, surely the thing to be tested is simply whether or not the disc is worn, whether or not the wear is obvious (presumably meaning immediately apparent) is irrelevant, although as a matter of practical reality the wear would by necessity need to be 'obvious' to be detected in the wheels-on MOT.

Moreover, the use of the word 'significant' seems a little ambiguous and sloppy. As you note Mandrake, all discs have a stated minimum thickness. It seems arguable that even 1mm of wear to a disc is significant, yet would not be great enough to render the disc unsafe. Surely the more correct word would have been 'excessively'?

I wonder if the final version of the manual will be better worded.

1.1.14(a)(d) - "Brake drum back plate secure".

This is presumably the reg that the Autoexpress hack is interpreting as requiring the disc to be secured to the wheel hub.

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The draft manual as a whole does seem poorly worded.
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Ignoring the issue that, to my knowledge, almost all suspension systems incorporate a fluid damper of one form of another, and that the "gas" and "air" words, being subsets of "fluid" are superfluous, 5.3.5(b)(i) would appear to allow a tester to fail a hydro Cit with spheres that are 1bar down on spec, for the reason that even that small pressure loss would "adversely affect the functioning". It seems again that "excessively" or similar would have been a better word.

I hope the manual will be tidied up before it is finalised.

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"(c) - Missing"

I can't imagine anyone presenting a car for a test with a missing disc or drum!

There will always be cheap MoTs... Often they're seen as a 'loss-leader'. I know my local man charges £35 safe in the knowledge he gets the work to resolve the many failures and this is both an excellent earner for him and offsets any loss made on the MoT itself...

He tells me the cheap MoT really draws in the punters...

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The dealers i worked at in early 00's said you can charge what you want for mot's, however the price is based on the number of tickets you bought, the more you bought the cheaper you would get them etc. I am pretty sure its some different now as you dont have a Book of tickets as they used to, my mot is £50, has cost the same for the past 3 years, i know i could get it cheaper locally but I trust the mot tester, he moved garages when the local expanded, always gave a fair test,

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There's also a council run independent tester nearby to me. Would they be worth going to? They don't do repairs.

In Ireland there's only independent government contracted test centres. They just test and don't do repairs. The testing regulations are more or less the same. Bi-annual testing for cars less than 10 years old, annual thereafter. You're exempt from needing a roadworthiness test for the first 4 years on cars. Commercial vehicles are annual regardless of age.

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The tester I normally use will do small repairs that are possible during the test, but only does tests, does not do any major repairs. I'm just really talking about bulbs, wipers act, he sometimes gives a fail for such items then immediately gives a retest and pass. I have always found him totally fair, and have used him for 30 years!

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Spurious wrote:
29 Jan 2018, 15:21
There's also a council run independent tester nearby to me. Would they be worth going to? They don't do repairs.


Yes. I only use independent testing stations that don't do repairs. The possibilities of being ripped off are endless if you don't.

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Michel wrote:
29 Jan 2018, 17:19
Spurious wrote:
29 Jan 2018, 15:21
There's also a council run independent tester nearby to me. Would they be worth going to? They don't do repairs.


Yes. I only use independent testing stations that don't do repairs. The possibilities of being ripped off are endless if you don't.



Unless you know your local one very well that's very true... Mine does all repairs and charges £35. He knows me too well and wouldn't dare take the p...

Being a true old-school indy he stands and falls by his local reputation... If word got out he'd ripped a client off there'd be hell to pay and likely he'd be hounded out of town; bad news travels fast around these parts...

Zel uses him too.

He's also Citroen-friendly; he used to run XMs so he understands hydraulic Citroens very well.

He'll be MOT'ing my Ka tomorrow morning...

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Spurious wrote:
29 Jan 2018, 15:21
There's also a council run independent tester nearby to me. Would they be worth going to? They don't do repairs.


This short thread may be of interest. In it I put up this link UK Council Mot Centres Can't vouch for its acccuracy eg there are 2 in Northumberland the site just comes up with NCC's general number you have to dig around their website to find them.

Regards Neil

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CitroJim wrote:
29 Jan 2018, 14:34
"(c) - Missing"

I can't imagine anyone presenting a car for a test with a missing disc or drum!

You'd be surprised!
Have a look around the MOT testers' forums for some 'interesting' failures.
I suspect that this is the sort of thing they have in mind when they say 'significantly worn' http://mtaeta.info/thread/2533/brakes-who-anyway, but there's a better one somewhere, where the disc has completely disappeared, leaving only its hub. I think that counts as 'missing'!
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dnsey wrote:
29 Jan 2018, 19:47
CitroJim wrote:
29 Jan 2018, 14:34
"(c) - Missing"

I can't imagine anyone presenting a car for a test with a missing disc or drum!

You'd be surprised!


Surprised? I'm shocked to the core!

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NewcastleFalcon wrote:
29 Jan 2018, 19:09
Spurious wrote:
29 Jan 2018, 15:21
There's also a council run independent tester nearby to me. Would they be worth going to? They don't do repairs.


This short thread may be of interest.

Regards Neil



That's exactly why I'd be concerned if they extended the MOT to two year intervals :shock: Most of us on here have some mechanical sympathy, but there are plenty out there (getting in my way on the roads :lol: ) who don't have a clue to what's going on with their cars.