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civvie wrote:
The best way to kill this thing is if everone just posted on the generic forum make and not post in the specific sections.
Do feel free to go and create your own forum with a view that you like, and leave the rest of us to keep up with the times.
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mickeymoon wrote:
civvie wrote:
The best way to kill this thing is if everone just posted on the generic forum make and not post in the specific sections.
Do feel free to go and create your own forum with a view that you like, and leave the rest of us to keep up with the times.
Nice and constructive eh ... just tell all those who disagree to go away. Duly noted.

Now, can someone who does have a positive comment to make tell me exactly why we needed this reorganisation? It just seems overly complex.

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xantiamanic wrote:
mickeymoon wrote:
civvie wrote:
The best way to kill this thing is if everone just posted on the generic forum make and not post in the specific sections.
Do feel free to go and create your own forum with a view that you like, and leave the rest of us to keep up with the times.
Nice and constructive eh ... just tell all those who disagree to go away. Duly noted.

Now, can someone who dors have a constructive comment to make tell me exactly why we needed this reorganisation. It just seems overly complex.

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If someone has such an ungrateful, destructive and obnoxious attitude for all the hard work the mods do, then my comment is totally justified.

As for you...

"Me too Davie ... whats happening to the forum? Audio and telesomething, whats that for?? Why are we having this reorganisation? Someone update me. Reminds me of a so called NHS topdown 'reorganisation'. That seems to be working well, not"..

Well, same applies. Pretty obnoxious too..
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Nice editing there after my comment...

"Now, can someone who dors have a constructive comment to make tell me exactly why we needed this reorganisation. It just seems overly complex."

Nice of you to pop that in after.

Anyway, I was constructive in my main comment, as was Marc..




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Re: Forum change

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Thanks for that MM. You have earned a well deserved place on my blacklist. I just cant be bothered with reading posts from the likes of you. Can i say, just before i add you, that you are only the second obnoxious contributor i have felt the need to do this for in many years. I'm sure those forum members who CAN manage to contribute in a respectful and friendly manner all want the forum to continue in that vein. You sir seem hellbent on offending in your own disrespectful manner. Now ... to add you. I've said my piece.

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We can be grateful for the work that the mods and admin do without having to agree with what is happening.
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And can I say that the way this is all going we're going to end with a highly polarised membership who fling insults at each other. I have ceased posting on a another, not to be named, forum which is inhabited by some really nasty people. I wouldn't like that to happen here.
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Paul-R wrote:And can I say that the way this is all going we're going to end with a highly polarised membership who fling insults at each other. I have ceased posting on a another, not to be named, forum which is inhabited by some really nasty people. I wouldn't like that to happen here.
I agree ... telling people to go away and start their own forum is an uncalled for response.

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Blimey chaps, this is getting unnecessarily harsh! Some like it, some not so. The admin do a lot of unseen work that's not recognised or even considered. Many hours. Personally, I'd like to see the new style as a filter. It would help posters asking the questions. But as previously said, for browsers looking at problems that affect many models, it's harder to find, and also for people who have a lot of experience, they're going to miss a lot of opportunities to give advice. Under the new structure, I, possibly, wouldn't have found Jim's post on Epics just looking in 406
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I cannot see the problem at all.
With "New Posts" as a standard log in page, EVERY post is seen. If you post into ANY section it will be seen. You can search specifics in ANY section.
Just use what is there as there are more options, thus the forum works better.
Change your habits a little it is not hard.
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Just done the new post search...took me right back to.. Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:14 pm
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Stickyfinger wrote:I cannot see the problem at all.
With "New Posts" as a standard log in page, EVERY post is seen.
And that's the problem. Every post. Including the dozen or more sections I don't look at and so are unlikely to click to read to render them read. An easy dozen posts or so to scroll down through to find the one I might be interested in.
Stickyfinger wrote:Change your habits a little it is not hard.
I must disagree.
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If I use Tapatalk, which I do the vast majority of the time, I have it set to unread posts. I go through them reading the ones I want, and then marking the whole forum read. That works for me and has not changed. If I want to look for something I have already read and go onto forums, I find the subforums now. To me it looks more cluttered, but I have not looked for anything yet. If I were to make a new thread on something in the xantia, then it looks like I have one extra click to do before I start typing. That makes no difference.

I shall agree with others that the administration do a great job, and do it cos they want to, it's their hobby as well as ours and I thank them for looking after the forum, even if I do or do not agree with changes.

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Not a fan of the new organisation I have to say. :? A lot more work to browse areas of interest than before, and yes I am well aware of the New Post function - I already use that as well, but the problem with New Posts is that they are only "new" for a short time, so if I click New Posts and then want to come back a couple of hours later to catch up on them they're no longer new, and I now have to go hunting through dozens of categories to find where they were. Also new posts is forum wide - there are a lot of sections of the forum that I'm NOT interested in.

A hierarchical organisation like this makes a lot of sense on forums that keep strictly on topic and are heavily moderated to do so, but that does not describe this forum! :lol: Threads often meander between models of cars, completely off topic and then back on again, so dividing it up into models is unnecessarily restrictive and will only result in interesting threads not being seen or contributed to by nearly as many people. A lot of problems are quite generic and cross model (suspension balljoint replacement etc) but will end up in specific model categories where those with different but relevant models may not look for postings.

Finally, if it's going to be divided up into models of car, where is the C-Zero section - that's a Citroen too. Kinda. :rofl2: (Actually I don't see a C1 section either)

A much better way to do this is to use Tags. An example of more modern forum software that does that is "Discourse". Yes it has problems of its own but tags mean that you can post a Citroen query in the Citroen section and then apply one or more tags to the thread, such as "Xantia", "Suspension" and so on, then if users want to drill down into a specific model they can do a tag based search. Tags are much more flexible than sub categories because a thread can only be in one sub category but it could have multiple tags that are relevant to the discussion in the thread, not just model based tags.
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Re: Forum change

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Simon, thanks for your comments.
Agree- there are other Forums which have a much higher level of categorisation and these are easy to use, but are strictly moderated too as you say, and need to be, to maintain the integrity and hard work that has gone into them. There are no plans to create further layers, but the system we had before is at the other end of the spectrum and doesn't suit everyone either.

Appreciate what you are saying about tags, a good idea, but not everyone is search savvy. Far too many results are returned having a single forum to search on for the reasons previously stated - posters do not include their models, year or revision or even their problem in the topic titles in the majority of posts.
Mandrake wrote:Also new posts is forum wide - there are a lot of sections of the forum that I'm NOT interested in.
I would have to say this comment applies equally to the searching of information too :) - Which is why the categories are being put in.

Non members often find us via browser search and usually with a specific issue to resolve. We need to cater for these casual browsers who may become members and their first impressions of a site should be of being able to find things relatively quickly, without having to use complex (for some) search terms. I come back to one of my previous posts. If I am Mark III C5 owner and I want info on my leaky steering rack - I want specific information and I want it quickly. Using the newer system I can enter 'steering rack' in the C5 III category using the 'posts and message text' option and display as 'Topics'. I will get 10 topics returned ALL relevant to my specific car. If I perform the same search on the Citroen and Sub-forums (to include everything as per the single Citroen category), I get 700 Topics listed for every topic where that is mentioned - not really helpful.
[quote="Mandrake"Finally, if it's going to be divided up into models of car, where is the C-Zero section - that's a Citroen too. Kinda. :rofl2: (Actually I don't see a C1 section either)[/quote]
It is a work in progress Simon and as has been said elsewhere time is freely given, but has to fit in with other priorities :-D - but for cars where there are no or few posts, it may not be practical to include a separate category - in this case, we would likely have a multi car category for the more historical models for which there are few newer posts - this would still preserve the information and still make it easier to search on due to the separation of the other content.

We only want to move the existing and future content into the most suitable category to make it easier to locate the information for everyone.