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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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ISTR there were a batch of TDs that suffered conrod failure, a mates S2 Xantia went bang at 95,000 when the first rod from the belt end let go, you could see daylight through the block! an odd failure, and an odd time to let go.
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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CitroJim wrote:Yes, given the valve/guide damage, definitely go for a replacement engine... Especially with potential bottom end damage.

An ideal opportunity to put a TD in there now ;)

Arguably, a good TD may well be easier to obtain..

Still interested to see the bottom end ;)
Does the n/a diesel auto use a different auto box than the later TD auto? I'm sure they have different part numbers in Haynes. If so, would a TD have potentially too much power for the n/a autobox to handle? Just a thought and worth checking out. It may not matter but just thought I'd mention it!
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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Budge_60 wrote:Does the n/a diesel auto use a different auto box than the later TD auto? I'm sure they have different part numbers in Haynes. If so, would a TD have potentially too much power for the n/a autobox to handle? Just a thought and worth checking out. It may not matter but just thought I'd mention it!
Good to mention it... The only TD Autos were S2s fitted with the AL4..

The 4HP14 may be a little marginal technically on the end of a TD but one must bear in mind that when cars are designed and specced. they look at the harshest possible conditions so it is potentially possible the HP14 may not survive exceptional abuse in a TD but it's more than likely to be fine in normal use.

The Manual BE3 was a good case in point; it was not used on the TCT, 2.1TD and 110HDi as it was thought not quite up to job in the higher powered engines. The 90HDi had the BE3 but the 110HDi went for the ML5..

In fact in everyday normal use The BE3 can take a lot more than the designed limits and they survive it well enough.

I'd expect the HP14 to survive equally well on a TD so long as it's not thrashed at top speed for 24 hours a day every day...
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I thought I'd just try Admiral for a direct on-line quote to put the theory of 'going direct' to the test. After wasting 20 minutes going through the necessaries, they wanted £600! :rofl2: That's three times what I'm paying now with Tesco (via Meerkats). I took great pleasure in declining their offer.
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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Still waiting on time and weather to align such that I can drop the sump :(

Good point on the autobox, I do know of a 1.9D ZX fairly close by that's been sat for some years (I even have the guy's number in my wallet still from my enquiry nearly 3 years ago!) IIRC he wanted about £200 for it back then and it had some welding needed doing which put me off... I can't see the bodywork having got any better over time but I think if the engine can be persuaded to run nicely it could be worth it, as I could potentially store/sell parts as well.

Be a shame to kill another ZX but it'd be for a good cause and more likely that it's entrails will be put to good use than if I scrap man had it... Just got to appease the better half by sorting the MAF on the 206 and finishing the Escort engine bay lol
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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Stewart(oily) wrote:ISTR there were a batch of TDs that suffered conrod failure, a mates S2 Xantia went bang at 95,000 when the first rod from the belt end let go, you could see daylight through the block! an odd failure, and an odd time to let go.
1.9TD engine code DHY , the first with an EGR - very famous for con rod failures in various PSA group cars
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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Harlequin wrote:
Stewart(oily) wrote:ISTR there were a batch of TDs that suffered conrod failure, a mates S2 Xantia went bang at 95,000 when the first rod from the belt end let go, you could see daylight through the block! an odd failure, and an odd time to let go.
1.9TD engine code DHY , the first with an EGR - very famous for con rod failures in various PSA group cars
Ahh, I was right then :)

They were early ones though weren't they Simon... Later 1.9TD engines have the DHX code and generally don't suffer; in fact their bottom ends appear almost bullet-proof
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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97, 98 and 99 in 306 and xsara and zx

iirc the xantia and 406 had the DHX
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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Ooh, the forum's changed & I now have separate Citroen forums for each model :/

Not sure if that's a good or bad thing, I generally visit the Citroen area for reference to older models but also found the posts about newer stuff interesting/useful as well.... Maybe I'm just resistant to change (another autistic trait, not just me getting old!)

I'm sure I'll get used to it, if it works better for more people... EDIT-: actually, just scrolled down and there's still a "general" kind of area... Scratch what I said, this IS A Good Thing :)
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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Non turbo autoboxes will not stand turbodiesel power, Doc Chevron at BXClub destroyed one and ended up getting a box specially put together for a TZD auto, later ones may be stronger.
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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Stewart(oily) wrote:Non turbo autoboxes will not stand turbodiesel power, Doc Chevron at BXClub destroyed one and ended up getting a box specially put together for a TZD auto, later ones may be stronger.
Ahh well, if the Doc did one in then that's good enough for me to advise well against!
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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Hmm, strange morning. Just read a post in for sale/wanted where someone has another NA with a thrown rod, also running veg and also in stoke area...

And, thanks to Budge 60, just received the bit of registration plate in the post, that fell off during loading :) cheers
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ekjdm14 wrote:Hmm, strange morning. Just read a post in for sale/wanted where someone has another NA with a thrown rod, also running veg and also in stoke area...
Gosh, that's a bit of a surprise... Wonder if we'll see it happing more and more now?

You're right in that it's been a strange morning :twisted:

I woke up with a premonition it would not be a straightforward day and nor has it been either...
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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Oh dear Jim, that doesn't sound good. Hope it's nothing too serious? Weather isn't helping much with anything, the kid's trampoline has launched across the garden earlier and nearly knocked over my project Honda 125 lol...
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Re: Black Xantia NA Diesel auto... Camshaft? No, conrod failure... Le moteur est mort...

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No, nothing serious, just a day from hell in the office today :)