1.6hdi oil change - suction method?

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That's what the seal is for I pointed to before, and why it needs to be properly seated and lubricated before fitting. There's nowhere else for the oil to leak - except from the seal end as per the photo.
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GiveMeABreak wrote: 01 Oct 2019, 10:02 That's what the seal is for I pointed to before, and why it needs to be properly seated and lubricated before fitting. There's nowhere else for the oil to leak - except from the seal end as per the photo.
Hi Marc,

Let me clarify - I'm not referring to the housing seal that ensures the top half of the housing seals to the bottom half of the housing.

I'm wondering how to ensure that the (bosch) paper cartridge has a clean seal/seating inside the housing when physically placed inside.

Does the plastic filter housing need to be cleaned out - before there is an attempt to create a seal when placing the paper cartridge inside it.

If a bit of carbon/grit is there on the internal surfaces of the housing - and the paper cartridge is simply pushed ontop of this grit/dirt - could this cause a weak seal - allowing a small amount of dirty oil to seep past the paper?
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You just need to make sure no contamination enters the housing. By cleaning it you may introduce contamination, so leave and just fit the cartridge, that’s all you need do.
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Could someone help me with the correct & most up to date part number, for the Sump plug washer for my VIN please.

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I've listed both parts as it depends on the sump fitted. You may have a 10mm Diameter plug / seal or 16mm, so you need to visually check it
Andel Sump.PNG
10MM:

(1) Drain Plug Part: 031129 (M10 x 125 EP13) £1.31
(3) Drain Plug Seal Part: 031340 (21 x 10 -1,5) 10mm Diameter. £1.49

Or:

16mm:

(1) Drain Plug Part 031139: (M16 x 1,5) 16mm Diameter £1.62
(3) Drain Plug Seal Part: 9677491780 16mm Diameter £1.97

All VAT inclusive from Citroen.
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Just checking - is there any harm in reusing the existing sump plug washer?

Do other members renew it every time?

Or do you reuse the existing one?
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I usually reuse the seal. I have been known to change the seal but not often.
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I've drained the oil from My C4 GP diesel using an electric suction thing powered by a spare car battery. the device came from Aldi or Lidl - can't remember which.

It did the job easily and cleanly enough, and the amount of new oil that went in was as specified in the Haynes manual. So I don't think that there could have been much residual oil left in the sump.

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zundapp wrote: 28 Jun 2020, 16:23 I've drained the oil from My C4 GP diesel using an electric suction thing powered by a spare car battery. the device came from Aldi or Lidl - can't remember which.

It did the job easily and cleanly enough, and the amount of new oil that went in was as specified in the Haynes manual. So I don't think that there could have been much residual oil left in the sump.

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I understand that this makes the job much easier and much less messy, unfortunately for certain models PSA released bulletins that expressly warned against the use of a suction tool vs draining.

On another note - I’ve been looking into oil filters, OEM vs aftermarket - and have come to the conclusion to buy origional oil filters or MANN only.

There are many YouTube videos of the different oil filters being pulled apart & compared - and there are marked differences between the quality & construction of the various filters - even though they all claim to be made to oem spec.

From now on I’ll be buy an origional Citroen oil filter. The air filter, fuel filter etc will be MANN (as they don’t outsource).

Can anyone confirm one thing for me - which manufacturer makes the Citroen oil filters?
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Purflux make the filters for PSA.
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If I were to provide the oil & filter. What would be a fair price for the labour for an oil change?
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How long is a piece of string? I don't think that's something we can answer here - as it will depend on your mechanic's / garage rates.

As an idea, Kwik Fit will charge you £54.95 for an oil and filter change (including the oil and filter) for 1401 to 2000 cc vehicles.
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As Marc said, the bloke up the street might do it for a couple of pints, an indie may do it with your supplied parts, dealership, probably not. Bear in mind that garages / indies charge more for parts than you can source them for....but... the price of the cake is the same, it's just sliced differently to allow accountants to play.
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This topic spurred me to get this cheapo pump from ebay-
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Electric-60W ... 2749.l2649
It worked a treat. The smaller inlet pipe, that goes down the dip stick tube, needed a firm push once it appeared to reach the bottom. The extra inch gained found the last of the old oil.
Bear in mind that this was my experience on a 1.6 Hdi. I carefully measured the waste oil sucked out- and there could have been nothing left in the sump.
But what I did discover is that if the oil was filled to the top marking on the dip stick, that took 4.45 litres. In the book the oil capacity, with filter change, is 3.75 litres.
So, surprise all round. 1/ That the total oil capacity for such a busy engine was so small. 2/ That there is no marking on the dip stick to indicate the correct level and
3/ I have been driving round unaware that I have overfilled the oil by a considerable amount, an extra 0.75 litres.
this all flagged up because the suction pump pulled out 4.45 litres.
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discv wrote: 04 Jul 2020, 16:26 This topic spurred me to get this cheapo pump from ebay-
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Electric-60W ... 2749.l2649
It worked a treat. The smaller inlet pipe, that goes down the dip stick tube, needed a firm push once it appeared to reach the bottom. The extra inch gained found the last of the old oil.
Bear in mind that this was my experience on a 1.6 Hdi. I carefully measured the waste oil sucked out- and there could have been nothing left in the sump.
But what I did discover is that if the oil was filled to the top marking on the dip stick, that took 4.45 litres. In the book the oil capacity, with filter change, is 3.75 litres.
So, surprise all round. 1/ That the total oil capacity for such a busy engine was so small. 2/ That there is no marking on the dip stick to indicate the correct level and
3/ I have been driving round unaware that I have overfilled the oil by a considerable amount, an extra 0.75 litres.
this all flagged up because the suction pump pulled out 4.45 litres.
If the oil is within the level range on the dipstick - surely you haven’t overfilled?

Even if it’s just under MAX?
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