Coolant temp vs Oil temp
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
Thanks for your replies I can already feel the relief I will try not to be so suspicious about, so I would not bother you with my questions!
However, this is good to know just for the sake of knowledge
However, this is good to know just for the sake of knowledge
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
Don't ever be fearful of asking questions. Just because you don't know doesn't mean it must de a silly question!
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
Wrong, each segment represents actual Celsius degree valueswhite exec wrote:Those visual displays have no units. As such, they are just a graphical representation of normal and abnormal operating conditions.
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
on mine.. the oil always heats up faster than the coolant.. usually it's 2 bars ahead.. until they both end up at about 6 bars occasionally 7.. after about 10 mins normal driving ..
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
You'll have to explain that to me.vborovic wrote:Wrong, each segment represents actual Celsius degree valueswhite exec wrote:Those visual displays have no units. As such, they are just a graphical representation of normal and abnormal operating conditions.
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
maybe 10C for a bar? would make some sense
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
I don't have the time to recheck with the DiagBox and the actual temp values, but from memory, the starting point is 55°C, anything lower than that won't get displayed, and then each next visible segment should be 5°C added, so you know more or less precisely what the temperature is from the visual representation (both oil and coolant), 6 visible segments is ~75°C (don't take the values as exact, might be off by 10-20 degrees, but the logic is like I've explained it)
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
my maths was suspect but .. 55 + (6 x 5) = 85
which would be about spot on? for coolant...
which would be about spot on? for coolant...
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
I think you have just illustrated my point.
No units. A graphical display, from which only the most basic info can be read.
More to do with style than hard information, and best not to attempt the maths while driving.
Remember seeing a full-page Peugeot ad a few years ago, for a small hatch.
It listed the 10 main features of the car.
No.1 was a "USB" socket.
Dumbing down, or what?
No units. A graphical display, from which only the most basic info can be read.
More to do with style than hard information, and best not to attempt the maths while driving.
Remember seeing a full-page Peugeot ad a few years ago, for a small hatch.
It listed the 10 main features of the car.
No.1 was a "USB" socket.
Dumbing down, or what?
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
vborovic wrote:Wrong, each segment represents actual Celsius degree values
Bit of a conflict there I think.vborovic wrote:... don't take the values as exact, might be off by 10-20 degrees, but the logic is like I've explained it
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
I should've drawn what I meant ... ... each segment is somewhere around 5 degrees value ... you can work with that ... compared to white exec's explanation that they're only a visual representation of normal and abnormal operation ... if it would be just that, they could've used only 2 segments, one for the normal, and the other for abnormal, right?
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
I assume this highly depends on the outside temperature? Aswell on the engine capacity itself?jgra1 wrote:on mine.. the oil always heats up faster than the coolant.. usually it's 2 bars ahead.. until they both end up at about 6 bars occasionally 7.. after about 10 mins normal driving ..
From my view, there's no real need for two temperature indicators? As this could be somehow misleading (take me for example, I even created a whole thread ). It would be enough just for one indicator that displays wether the engine has reached it's working condition or not.
EDIT: I would like to start a new discussion (or find one which is related to the topic) but I'm not sure which is the best place to do so? This is not related to any problem it's just a discussion about how much time do you keep your car at idle before you start driving after the cold engine startup in the morning? Ofcourse I'm not talking about summer time nor late and warmy spring... In Lithuania we had snow today and it's 3 degrees of Celsius
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
They may be representative of so many degrees per segment or they may not. Without values attached they are almost meaningless. You cannot be sure that the scale is linear, logarithmic or the profile of my nose!vborovic wrote:I should've drawn what I meant ... ... each segment is somewhere around 5 degrees value ... you can work with that ... compared to white exec's explanation that they're only a visual representation of normal and abnormal operation ... if it would be just that, they could've used only 2 segments, one for the normal, and the other for abnormal, right?
It may be a long time since I was at school but I'm sure that what my maths teachers used to say that a graph without units is meaningless still applies.
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
Well, you have to hope that the gauges do approximate to what a reasonable person would expect them to do. But, basically, you're right.ohyes wrote:I assume this highly depends on the outside temperature? Aswell on the engine capacity itself?jgra1 wrote:on mine.. the oil always heats up faster than the coolant.. usually it's 2 bars ahead.. until they both end up at about 6 bars occasionally 7.. after about 10 mins normal driving ..
From my view, there's no real need for two temperature indicators? As this could be somehow misleading (take me for example, I even created a whole thread ). It would be enough just for one indicator that displays wether the engine has reached it's working condition or not.
I'm prepared to answer.ohyes wrote:EDIT: I would like to start a new discussion (or find one which is related to the topic) but I'm not sure which is the best place to do so? This is not related to any problem it's just a discussion about how much time do you keep your car at idle before you start driving after the cold engine startup in the morning? Ofcourse I'm not talking about summer time nor late and warmy spring... In Lithuania we had snow today and it's 3 degrees of Celsius
I read quite a few years ago that the most efficient way is to start the engine and drive off immediately. Don't leave the engine to tickover if at all if possible.
Similarly when you park up for the night you should do all your manoeuvrings with the engine warm so that you can drive straight off when the engine's cold in the morning.
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Re: Coolant temp vs Oil temp
With the mg I count on the oil temp to help work out what on earth the cooling is doing .. its an extreme example but the more I know about the temps the better (or worse )
I don't know.. I like confirmation of fears and somehow two angles of temp gives me that comfort .. I do like gauges though..
Saying that
I think there is something called a vauxhall astra at work..a green thing. It has no temp gauge of any sort.. ! Its actually bliss not knowing anything
I don't know.. I like confirmation of fears and somehow two angles of temp gives me that comfort .. I do like gauges though..
Saying that
I think there is something called a vauxhall astra at work..a green thing. It has no temp gauge of any sort.. ! Its actually bliss not knowing anything