Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by JohnD » 29 Apr 2015, 20:07

About a week ago here in the South East we had a couple of days with "poor air quality" - so much so that the elderly and people with bronchial ailments were advised to stay in doors with windows closed. The reason apparently was industrial pollution brought across on the wind from the Continent. Maybe the EU should put their own house in order before worrying about ours.

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by BX » 04 May 2015, 02:12

The real problem is that in the EU the market for petrol has collapsed. When crude oil is refined it yields fixed percentages of the various fractions. At the moment we refine an excess of crude to meet diesel demand. The excess petrol is exported cheaply to markets where there is still a demand such as the USA. The fuel demands of the car fleet must be rebalanced in favour of petrol.

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by Xantianut » 06 May 2015, 10:52

The difference in price between here and the US is explained in one simple 3 letter word.

TAX!!!!!

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by Stickyfinger » 06 May 2015, 12:40

Xantianut wrote:The difference in price between here and the US is explained in one simple 3 letter word.

TAX!!!!!
Which is needed for all the Free State funded stuff we have in relation to the average Yank

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by Northern_Mike » 06 May 2015, 12:50

Stickyfinger wrote:
Which is needed for all the Free State funded stuff we have in relation to the average Yank
Yes exactly, and it's the way it should be to. My American family pay sweet FA tax and get sweet FA in return. Their medical insurance bill for all them is over $800 per month alone..

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by Deanxm » 08 May 2015, 23:54

A Prius isn't really my bag, I don't think it does the job its supposed to very well either and is fast becoming a pointless stopgap between oil and electric. I was rather impressed with the all electric offerings from Nissan and Renault I was looking at last year, the battery leasing was a good idea also and the range and charging times are coming along very nicely too to the point where for the average person they are a very real alternative to the oil burners.
Right now though, with modern car refinement I would be looking at the little Mazda / Mitsubishi / Citroen C1 type things, plenty refined enough, capable of motorway work and economical, the little Mitsubishi loan thing I get is fun, nippy, well equipped, cheap to buy and im getting high 60's mpg out of it over here driven sensibly, not like a saint, just gently.
Electric is coming, just look at the daddy Tesler, some machine.

Anyway, petrol or diesel? I think right now a small petrol is far cheaper to own and run and is less hassle than a diesel, depends on the size of vehicle though, I wouldn't want a 3.5 V6 L200 for instance.

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by CitroJim » 09 May 2015, 05:19

Perhaps not appropriate to everyone but I'm finding I'm using my cars less and less now in favour of my bike... It is often quicker than car on cross-town runs and certainly less stressful..

I can see a time when bikes come much more to the fore and they do have the added benefits of keeping you fit and very close to nature...

Not for everybody as I say but where appropriate, very good...

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 09 May 2015, 05:45

CitroJim wrote:Perhaps not appropriate to everyone but I'm finding I'm using my cars less and less now in favour of my bike... It is often quicker than car on cross-town runs and certainly less stressful..

I can see a time when bikes come much more to the fore and they do have the added benefits of keeping you fit and very close to nature...

Not for everybody as I say but where appropriate, very good...
...or make it a little bit easier with the new generation of electric bikes

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by CitroJim » 09 May 2015, 05:49

Indeed, the electric bike could be a great solution for many who'd love to bike but can't for whatever reason...

That one is butt ugly though... They need to make them look a lot more appealing and not like something made in a year9 metalwork class!

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by Northern_Mike » 09 May 2015, 10:41

That one is ugly because the top tube contains a big battery Jim.

Problem in the UK is that the top speed of electric bikes is limited, whereas it's not elsewhere. I'd happily use one to go to work on if it wasn't.

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 09 May 2015, 15:28

That particular bike is from Vanmoof, and as it turns out currently only available in the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium and the USA. If wiki is right probably something to do with the motor being rated at 250 Watts, and the not quite harmonised UK e-bike legislation with Europe.

For red-tape lovers, the necessary administrative steps are in process :)
UK Harmonises Electric Bike Law with Europe

LONDON, UK – The UK has finally laid out in detail its proposed harmonisation legislation to bring its electric bike legislation in line with Europe. The Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycles (Amendment) Regulations 2015 will update the UK’s original 1983 legislation, effectively scrapping the country’s unique stance on electric bike legislation from January 2016.
I think this will will allow up to 250W motors and 25 kph (15.53mph) speed limits on powered operation for electric bikes.

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(pesonally I quite like the look of the bike. The rear and front lights engineered within the top tube is neat, and for an electric bike its designed to look like their non-electric offerings and there's no properly ugly clagged-on battery pack to spoil the lines.)

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by Stickyfinger » 09 May 2015, 15:42

Problem in the UK is that the top speed of electric bikes is limited
Change the sticker....who the heck will be able to test it, as if the local Plod will care
......and you will have a nice trip to Holland to purchase one. if you remember to after the first coffee :)

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by Northern_Mike » 09 May 2015, 15:49

Last time I went to Holland I mistook a hotel waste paper basket for a toilet. Sober I was not.

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by CitroJim » 09 May 2015, 17:09

Northern_Mike wrote:Last time I went to Holland I mistook a hotel waste paper basket for a toilet. Sober I was not.
:rofl2: :rofl2:

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Re: Diesel or petrol - long term prospects

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 10 May 2015, 11:11

...of course not exactly practical everyday commuting transport, but this "Famous James" is up for sale at the next Brightwells classic auction on May 13th with a guide price of £1,200 to £1,600. Now if your name happens to be James...

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