Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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Simple but satisfying jobs today.

The carpet underlay in the front was switched round so the cutout for the pedals was in the right place. Still don't know why that didn't occur to me when I was fitting it - though having to work around school kids running around my driveway at the time probably didn't help.

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The observant among you may also spot the other thing I forgot yesterday afternoon in the above photo.

The fuel switch was left on overnight. I can however now confirm that the needle and seat in this carb are decent enough to prevent the whole tank decanting itself overnight. Though it did leak by enough that I created my own little recreation of that video of them crossing the border the day after the fall of the Berlin Wall when I started the car up. Thankfully after five minutes or so of driving the biblical levels of smoke reduced to invisible again.

As I had hoped the carpets had fully dried overnight. They're not spotless by any means but I think are a hundred times better than they started out.

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My suspicion was that once they were in the car that the marks would be far less apparent.

Think I was right.

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Perfect? No. However it's a 39 year old car, and based on that context I think is entirely acceptable. The area by the pedals is looking in really surprisingly good shape given there's no separate heel pad or anything there.

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Not sure what these carpets are made from, but it seems to be pretty hard wearing whatever it is.

Next issue I wanted to address was the door cards. Nothing says quality like trim that fits this well.

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The main reason for that is that a whole bunch of these clips were missing.

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Of the eighteen that should be in that door card there were three present (and four in the driver's door). With them all present and correct it looks...a bit better.

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Being totally honest this card is never going to sit absolutely right as it's been quite badly water damaged and is warped as a result. It's a lot better though. Doesn't flap around a bunch when the door closes now either.

Same was done on the driver's side. That one at least has escaped any major water damage so is sitting properly.

It's actually looking like a car again!

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If you're really paying attention you may have noticed that the driver's side window winder has changed from chrome to plastic. That's because I have two plastic ones but only one chrome one and then being mismatched was bugging me. Yes the metal one looks nicer, but I'll take them matching over individual visual appeal.

Really need to get the parcel shelf under the dash out to give it the same treatment as the rest of the carpets as it's absolutely filthy. That might wait till the weather is a bit warmer though so I can just leave it in the sun to dry.

The carpets will come out again at the same time as I want to get the bulkhead behind the shelf rust proofed same as the floors, and to get proper paint on the area beneath the B pillars so the current tide mark isn't so obvious. Shorter term all the carpets need to come out the boot so it can be properly dried out and rust proofed as well. That requires me to empty all the crap out first though!

While in the boot, I did spot a convenient spot to mount some concealed speakers if I did decide I wanted to fit a stereo at some point in the future, which honestly I doubt I will.

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Between the carpets being back in the car (and no longer saturated) and the cooling shroud now actually being bolted together the car is waaaaay quieter to drive. Don't get me wrong, it's still ridiculously loud, but it's a thousand times better than it was. You can actually have a conversation at 50mph just by raising your voice a bit rather than actually having to shout.

Here's the obligatory before and after from the day I got the car and today inside.

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Quite the difference.

Externally not much has really visibly changed though!
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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - BX, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D & 230TE, AC Model 70.

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Yes looks far nicer place to be now Zel, well done :)
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That's a vast improvement Zel :D
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I like a nice "Cleaned it "
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Stickyfinger wrote: 28 Jan 2024, 08:38 I like a nice "Cleaned it "
The problem is that every time you do a comparison like that, it makes the next thing in line look more obvious! The state of the seats, dashboard shelf and the messy paint on the B pillars now sticks out at me!

Could probably tame the wiring by the fuse box a bit better with a couple of strategically placed cable ties too.
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FYI Zel, a Rover P6 3.5 just didn't sell at £6300. :?
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mickthemaverick wrote: 28 Jan 2024, 16:45 FYI Zel, a Rover P6 3.5 just didn't sell at £6300. :?
Lordy, I might need to update my insurance valuation of mine once it's actually capable of travelling more than two miles without breaking!

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Only a really quick one for today. Got this fitted to the Peugeot - definitely not a common sight in this generation of Partner.

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The cutout I've made for it isn't the tidiest thing I've ever done but you're not going to be looking up at this from this angle to see it usually. Plus someone has already cut a hole in it for the horn button. I apparently can't measure to save my life - though this will surprise absolutely nobody who has ever seen my attempts at carpentry.

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Predictably taking things apart, cutting the slot and installing the stalk took about ten minutes. Actually coercing all the bits of plastic cowling back into place then took about three times as long.

As expected it currently doesn't do anything. Hopefully that will change after a software configuration session shortly.
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Excellent, although well busy in other areas of my life Zel, I should be good to put Diagbox on it tomorrow..
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Chinese plastic death rings that were on the front of the Partner have now been evicted in favour of something which has actual grip.

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The rears were General Altimax all seasons which if it weren't for the fact that I knew full well that having them mismatched would bug my OCD I'd probably have left alone. If anyone reading this wants them as a perfectly serviceable set of part worns let me know.

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While digging the locking wheel nut key (no, I've no idea on a vehicle that doesn't even have alloy wheels either) I discovered that the box also contained the original wheel bolts that had been replaced by the locking ones. So this can now be filed under B for bin.

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I hadn't realised quite how noisy the tyres that were on there were, it's immediately noticeably quieter now.

What time would best suit you for me to drop by, Jim? I know you're busy so am happy to work around what best suits you. I can make pretty much anything after around 1100 work.
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Zelandeth wrote: 29 Jan 2024, 18:48 What time would best suit you for me to drop by, Jim? I know you're busy so am happy to work around what best suits you. I can make pretty much anything after around 1100 work.
Late morning/early afternoon will be perfect Zel, drop me a message first to confirm I'm home. FB Messenger or WhatsApp better than a PM on here as I'll get an immediate alert...
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CitroJim wrote: 29 Jan 2024, 20:01
Zelandeth wrote: 29 Jan 2024, 18:48 What time would best suit you for me to drop by, Jim? I know you're busy so am happy to work around what best suits you. I can make pretty much anything after around 1100 work.
Late morning/early afternoon will be perfect Zel, drop me a message first to confirm I'm home. FB Messenger or WhatsApp better than a PM on here as I'll get an immediate alert...
No worries, as you suggest I'd always make a point of pinging you a message via one of those services before I set out. I'll aim for 1200, but will ping you a message an hour or two beforehand once I have a decent picture of how my morning is playing out time wise.
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Zelandeth wrote: 30 Jan 2024, 00:46
CitroJim wrote: 29 Jan 2024, 20:01
Zelandeth wrote: 29 Jan 2024, 18:48 What time would best suit you for me to drop by, Jim? I know you're busy so am happy to work around what best suits you. I can make pretty much anything after around 1100 work.
Late morning/early afternoon will be perfect Zel, drop me a message first to confirm I'm home. FB Messenger or WhatsApp better than a PM on here as I'll get an immediate alert...
No worries, as you suggest I'd always make a point of pinging you a message via one of those services before I set out. I'll aim for 1200, but will ping you a message an hour or two beforehand once I have a decent picture of how my morning is playing out time wise.
That'll be perfect Zel, looking forward t seeing you :)
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Had a good little meet up with Jim this afternoon to see if we could get my cruise control working. This was a bit of a voyage of discovery for both of us. My experience with the PSA software consisted of about 10 minutes using Lexia on a Xantia about 20 years ago, and Jim's experience while far more considerable was largely on the Citroen side of things rather than Peugeot.

Initially we were briefly flummoxed by the vehicle totally refusing to talk to the computer. This was pretty quickly traced to one of the pins in the OBD connector having made a bid for freedom out the back of the connector.

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Thankfully it hadn't gone very far and I was able to convince it to return to the correct location using a fine tipped pair of pliers. With that sorted we had Comms as expected.

We did find a few errors stored, mostly assorted what I'm going to refer to as "advisories" for some EGR issues as they've clearly not impacted the running of the vehicle nor triggered an engine management warning light. I'll investigate those in more depth when time is more on my side. One error we got which was a little more puzzling was a complaint about some mismatched ECUs, which I kind of wish I'd thought to take a photo of now. Wonder if someone has at some point swapped one of the vehicle ECUs and hasn't gone through the necessary configuration process. Again, we'll revisit that another day. It's not actually causing us any problems at the moment so it's not getting poked.

Once we'd found the option to say whether the vehicle was equipped with cruise control we did run into a new problem. Specifically that the instrument panel threw a major strop and immediately stopped communicating properly with the BSI. Pretty much every warning light on, mileage blanked out and flashing fuel and stop warning lights. After a little head scratching (and a code scan, which is where we found the BSI Comms error), we un-coded the cruise control option and immediately the panel sprang back to life.

It was about this point that I noticed when we'd initially coded things in that we'd used one of several options, and not the one we'd initially aimed for (likely simply because the software is quite clunky). The options listed for cruise are (from memory):

[] Vehicle without cruise control or speed limiter.
[] Vehicle equipped with cruise control 1 and speed limiter.
[] Vehicle equipped with cruise control 2 and speed limiter.
[] Vehicle equipped with speed limiter.

While we'd aimed for "Cruise control 1" it was showing that we had selected "cruise control 2" instead. On a hunch that these differences may have something to do with what additional equipment to the stalk (i.e. the dash with the little LDC**************[VIN obfuscated, can be read by forum staff] display), we tried switching it to the "cruise control 1" option we'd originally aimed for - and the dash this time did not go haywire.

Unfortunately we still don't have working cruise control (or speed limiting) though. Whether the instrument cluster or the cruise specific throttle pedal is the issue we don't know. However quite simply, it does nothing at the moment in either mode.

Was absolutely a worthwhile experiment though, and something we will definitely delve into further, just not before our trip north on Thursday.

As he had expressed interest in potentially one day moving into ownership of a Berlingo/Partner I then handed Jim the keys and gave him a shot of mine for a little test drive. I get the impression he was quite impressed with how it drove, and how different the behaviour is compared to what you expect just looking at it. He did agree with me that the rear suspension in mine is really quite crashy as I'd thought. I can visually see the beam is tired, so sure changing that would massively improve matters. Again, something for later in the year.

It was interesting to compare to his Picasso, which is altogether a far more modern design. This is both good and bad. Definitely quieter, you have integrated Bluetooth connectivity, I'm sure it's far better on fuel and if the worst happened would be a good deal safer. However it's a lot more jiggly on the 45 profile tyres, feels comparatively massive on the road as so many modern cars seem to and I can't say I'm a fan of the digital speedometer. The warning lights being about two feet away from your eyeline while driving just seems a daft decision to me too. Still a pleasant car though it has to be said, and I'd take it any day of the week over any of the VAG vehicles we've seen as company cars in the last ten years!

I had a bunch more errands this afternoon to run, so of course I took a step back into what's more my chronological comfort zone.

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I still keep being impressed by how small a room you need to turn this thing, and likewise it's ability to change direction ridiculously quickly. Very much seems to me a sort of cross between a 2CV and a Mini in a lot of ways.
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Although a different car and set-up compared to your Peugeot it might be useful to give you my experience with installing cruise control in my 2003 Pluriel a while back. This isn’t the type with the stalk but the one with the buttons on the steering wheel. When I completed installing a secondes hand steeringwheel with the cruise control buttons in it I actived the cruise control option in both the injection ecu and the bsi. I could see all the buttons working in Lexia but cruise control didn’t work. No matter what I tried it just wouldn’t like work. In the end it turned out to be a setting in Lexia somewhere where the bsi was set to absent or something like that. Switching that to ‘present’ got me working cruise control! No idea why it was configured to have no bsi, didn’t seem to make any difference in how the car works
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