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CitroJim wrote: 01 Sep 2023, 14:39 Gosh, I'd forgotten old DOS machines could get viruses Zel!

Looking forward to hearing the Rover P6 is with you all safe and sound and here's hoping the P4 soon finds a new home :)
Aye, it's something I've kind of lost sight of with having used Linux on my main machine for 16 years now (no, not immune to a virus threat, but far less susceptible than DOS/Windows).

Have found quite a few new machines to be carrying one (or several) which is why checking for evidence of one is usually step one.

Except for when I get careless apparently!
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Yes, like you, being a Chromebook user and previously Linux, viruses don't figure very highly in my consciousness at all... Even on my occasionally used Windows machine I'm happy to let Windows Defender look after it. My (limited) research suggests it does a reasonable job.

These days the biggest threat comes from scammers, both on email and social media... At least you could scan for viruses.. It's not so easy to scan for scammers...
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The new toy is now officially on the way.

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Should be arriving here pretty early tomorrow morning all being well.

Of course the weather has decided to return to being a million degrees this week so not sure how much I'll actually be doing immediately - but there will be a load of photos from when I have a good look over it at least.

Today I have been very much enjoying the whole "having a daily driver with working air conditioning" thing again.

Found an unexpected friend while out shopping today.

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Which has allowed me to confirm that the silver trim on the rear bumper is indeed meant to be there. I'd thought that had maybe been replaced with one from an older model as it just looked a bit odd to me.

She's been booked in to a local garage at the end of the month to have the whining noise coming from the aux belt area Investigated (my suspicion is actually pointing towards power steering pump as it looks to be weeping from the spindle), repairs made as necessary and for the full timing belt/water pump kit to be replaced.

The belt change interval on this is a ridiculous 10 years/125K miles according to Peugeot, which does tie in with the last one listed in the service book being pretty much spot on its 10th birthday - back in 2016. I'm not waiting until 2026 to change it...I think 5 years is way more sensible an interval.

Especially makes sense if they're going to be digging into the belt area to sort out whatever is whining, which will obviously involve taking the aux belt off (which is pretty badly glazed so wants changing anyway) so they're already halfway in anyway.

I'm viewing this as a long term fleet member at this point, so this is preventative maintenance I'd just rather have done.

Will be getting done by MOTest over in Newport Pagnell, who sorted out the brakes on the van for me. While Comms between the office and workshop could have been better, the work was done to a good standard and they were very patient with the seemingly never ending circle of issues we ran into. Plus they only charged me about a quarter of the labour I'm sure they'd actually spent on the job, nor did they charge for the MOT retest though we were well outside the ten days by the time we eventually got it sorted.
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Good to hear a good report of MOTest Zel. They used to be abysmal. Under new'ish management I believe...

Good to hear the P6 is on its way :)

I like it hot... This weather suits me perfectly :D It was perfect today when my house was, for a time, sans windows!
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CitroJim wrote: 04 Sep 2023, 18:35 Good to hear a good report of MOTest Zel. They used to be abysmal. Under new'ish management I believe...

Good to hear the P6 is on its way :)

I like it hot... This weather suits me perfectly :D It was perfect today when my house was, for a time, sans windows!
We'll see won't we! First time I'll have used them for things like this, but they've been my go to for MOT on the van ever since I had that disaster of a time with Egerton's who basically robbed me of £600. Not a huge number of places round here who could accommodate a 2.8t/2.4m wide vehicle. Never really had any complaints there.

They've generally seemed to have a good reputation from anyone who I know who's used them recently anyway, guess we'll see in a few weeks.
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Yesterday ended up being quite a busy mess, even in addition to the new arrival turning up so I didn't get nearly as much time to look into it as I would have liked, and it was well into the evening before I could even think about starting to write things up. So apologies this is a little later than I'd planned - You're essentially getting yesterday's update while I'm between jobs this morning. Things weren't helped yesterday by only really being able to spend 30 minutes or so outside at a time before staring to seriously overheat, so that further hurt my efficacy where actually getting anything done was concerned.

Right on time, the car arrived. Delivered by Walsgrave Transport who I've used several times now and have always been fantastic to deal with. Felt rather guilty that I'd completed neglected to account for it being the second day of the school term and warn them about it, still we made things work.

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Unlike the last couple of cars I've had delivered by them, this one was actually able to start up and drive off the transporter under its own power and into the parking space, which definitely made things easier. The BX was a particularly awkward one given the lack of a footbrake or more than 3mm of ground clearance without the engine running. With the Rover now on the drive I could get a look around it a bit more properly. Given the asking price I really didn't dig too deeply when I looked at it at the seller's place as provided that it wasn't rotten and that all the annoyingly expensive bits on cars of this age like trim were present I knew I was still getting a decent deal.

So let's take a closer look at what I've got myself into.

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The sole item in the glovebox seems somewhat foreboding...

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I think a new fuel filter will probably be on the cards...

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Why can't more companies provide this information under the bonnet?

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The boot also turned out to be full of mysteries, I've barely even touched this yet.

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Need to get a cover on at least the positive terminal of that battery, it is giving me serious anxiety from a fire safety perspective. Especially with that wheel sitting right next to it.


So, onto the issues. Which we absolutely knew that there would be.

The most obvious probably being that we currently have the rare Rover V7 engine. I'd hoped that this might just be a fouled up plug, but it appears that we do have a lame cylinder, with number 5 showing very little compression compared to the other seven - you can clearly hear this when cranking. We do have what looks to be exactly the same amount of movement at the rockers as on the neighbouring cylinders based on a really quick visual check, so I don't think we're looking at a wiped cam lobe. Further investigation needed. Optimistically it could be a bit of crud holding a valve open - though based on my previous track record I doubt I'm going to be that lucky!

The oil was badly, badly contaminated with ancient fuel (unsurprising given the car's been off the road for a long while, especially given we've discovered a dead miss on one cylinder). Seriously, it reeked like old paint stripper - I think what came out the sump smelled stronger than what went into the fuel tank. So before I did anything else I wanted to get that changed.

What came out was...well...was this.

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Lovely.

No chunks nor any glitter I could detect when I drained the pan, but that's obviously not what you want in your sump. Looking at it, my immediate suspicion is water contamination due to head/gasket issues. Especially given we have a conspicuous lack of compression in one cylinder. Coolant level does look to be spot on though and as far as I can tell the system isn't being pressurised, the oil level wasn't high either - further investigation needed. Either way, I'm glad I made the decision to change it before running the engine beyond parking the car.

Reported electrical faults were that the oil warning light and both oil pressure/temperature gauges were inoperative. A quick check from the driver's seat added choke warning light, indicators (hazards were fine though), heater blower and radio to that list. This collection of things (not so much the radio) made me immediately suspect a power supply issue. Let's keep it simple and check fuses first before I go on a huge deep dive dismantling half the car.

Main fuse box on a P6B is behind the passenger side glove box in case you wondered.

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Sure enough, the one labelled "ignition control" was blown. Legend in the fuse box calls for a 25A fuse, but only a 20A was fitted. It's also what went back in as it's the highest rating I had aside from a lone 35A (and no, I am NOT going to be that guy who just stuffs a larger fuse in!). Turning the ignition on then showed we had working indicators, no oil light, and an oil pressure gauge which immediately started heading towards full scale high.

Choke light had also sprung back to life.

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Interesting that wasn't deemed important enough for a legend, just a blank amber light.

Thirty seconds under the bonnet later swapping the connections from the senders for the oil pressure gauge/warning light around and we had a working pressure warning light.

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Thankfully when the engine was started, the light almost immediately went out (there WAS an element of trepidation there) and the gauge started to register pressure.

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The only light I seemed to be missing then was the brake light, though lifting the level sensor out of the reservoir did bring the light on correctly so it must just be the handbrake switch which is either faulty or stuck.

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The ammeter does move, though I'm not really convinced about its accuracy as it doesn't seem to move very far in either direction. Temperature gauge is an unknown, the engine hasn't run long enough for anything to register on there yet - I'll probably do a quick test today to at least prove the gauge operates. Fuel gauge is also an unknown, it's not showing empty - but equally I don't think it's moved. Though I have only thrown two gallons in the tank so not sure whether I should really expect it to move visibly from that much fuel - that's not going to make a huge dent on a 15 gallon tank.

I know it's nothing much in the grand scheme of things, but having got at least the dash from "mostly dead" to this stage felt like at least some progress.

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The main beam light is actually working there, it's just really really dim.

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At least I have some verification now that I do actually have some oil pressure, which was the main target of that exercise.

The radio still doesn't work, but at least does look rather tidier now I've pushed it properly back into the dash and reassembled the little cubby hole above it.

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Answers on a postcard as to what these switches do. Guessing based on the absence of a switch for it anywhere else that one is the rear screen heater, the other not a clue.

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It's not a car that's devoid of nicely done little details. The rear quarter light mechanism for instance.

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Little covers over the locks to keep water out.

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No shortage of chrome either.

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Definitely channels proper 60s muscle car vibes in the styling from the front.

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That's about as far as I got yesterday - well save for the obligatory couple of photos after dark when I went to see how much of the dash lighting was working.

Somewhat surprisingly the answer appeared to be "all of it."

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I'd always been curious to see how the central control panel was lit based on its construction - edge lit from below was the answer.

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So that's as far as we've got so far.

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Watch this space over the next couple of days as I investigate things further.
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NewcastleFalcon wrote: 24 Aug 2023, 08:51 The important things...What are the exterior and interior colours :?: :-D ...the Rover P6 has some tremendous combinations. I would go for Lunar Grey and Mango and very nice too! Always been one of my most liked cars, and have had a few brushes with nearly getting one, and if I see one in the wild the camera always comes out.
Well I see from this that the name on the sticker is "Arctic White" but has it has a repaint in another Rover colour. Most of the photo's don't give the impression of it being a "White".
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although this one does
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This one doesn't...you could almost see a two-tone there! (but more than likely just a trick of the grass!)
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Don't be surprised to find a certain Newport Pagnell resident camping on your land. He has a thing about the Rover P6!

Joking aside, she is a lovely looking beast. I hope (and know, with the work you have done on your previous vehicles) that she will be running properly very soon.
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Today investigated a few things.

Firstly was the fuse issue - with a 25A fuse sourced and fitted, it worked fine for a few minutes before blowing. When it blew it did it quite suddenly, so I reckon we've got an intermittent short somewhere. Around the steering column will probably be my first port of call given that the main things fed off that circuit are the instruments, indicators, brake lights and reversing lights. Wiring chafing around the steering column in the vicinity of the indicator stalk sounds like a good place to start.

The rear seats have been given their first couple of treatments with the leather feed and are already starting to look a fair bit better. That dark stain isn't going anywhere - but I'm not too worried about that to be honest, more just want to make sure the material itself has the best chance of not disintegrating.

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Regarding our missing cylinder, I tried dumping some oil down the bore to see if that made any difference. It really doesn't, which kind of suggests to me that it's a top end issue. Most likely a valve not closing fully or a burned seat. Unless something absolutely catastrophic has happened to the cylinder walls anyway, I'd have expected to notice at least some difference when the engine was turning over wet rather than dry. I haven't actually stuck a compression tester on there yet, but based on how the engine sounds I'm expecting to see a big fat zero. Thinking this might be the thing which finally gets me to actually buy a borescope so I can take a proper look at the cylinder and try to get a look at the valves without actually having to pull the head up front.

There definitely is quite a bit of damp in this engine, though it's really hard to say whether that's down to an active leak somewhere or whether it's external contamination. It's clearly sat that way for a fair while too.

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Before I actually go pulling the engine apart to any extent I need to confirm exactly what engine it is, as there is a (so far) undocumented rumour that apparently it may have been replaced at some point in the distant past. Given the car has 101K on the clock, definitely not impossible. The number stamped down by the dipstick is very hard, almost impossible to read - though what snippets of it that I can make out seem to point at it being an SD1 Vitesse. It's the only variation I can see in any of the tables with the same 9.75:1 CR and the couple of digits I can make out matching up in the right places.

I have noticed a couple of things which say "unfinished project" as well. Firstly is that the kickdown cable doesn't appear to be attached to the throttle linkage behind the engine (which looks a joy to get at). Secondly was this...

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Which is *slightly* more concerning - that's the plate to which the brake master cylinder is attached - which appears to be missing two our of its four mounting bolts. Yeah...Anyone know what thread those should be off the top of their head? Hopefully they're in one of the boxes of bits in the boot.

Suffice to say I'll be going over all the suspension fixings, wheel nuts and such to make sure they're tight before we venture anywhere near the road.

Other things which won't be sticking with us much longer...The rear tyres. Which despite looking in surprisingly good shape, just starting to show some perishing in a couple of places...date from 1992. Early 1992 at that.

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The front ones at least have a four digit code, so are from this side of 2000, but pre-date the simple WWYY numeric format. They're in considerably worse shape than the rears though with a fair amount more perishing, plus the offside front has two distinctly visible...what I can only describe as "dents" in the sidewall.

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That's gonna sting. You don't exactly have a plethora of choices of tyres in this size and none of them are cheap.

Did ascertain one thing this afternoon. While this only has a single pipe exhaust system on it, it still sounds rather rowdy when some revs are involved it seems. Which I'm okay with so long as it doesn't drone at speed. I tend to prefer quieter for the most part these days...but I'll make a bit of an exception for a V8 provided it's not too antisocial. I'd permit a straight pipe on something like a Land Rover, but a P6 needs to be at least somewhat refined!
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Excvellent Zel :) A great project! I love the colour scheme and spec. I'm following with great interest because as James says, I do!
Hell Razor5543 wrote: 06 Sep 2023, 15:20 Don't be surprised to find a certain Newport Pagnell resident camping on your land. He has a thing about the Rover P6!
I will be, and as soon as my house project is well advanced I'll be more than happy to lend a hand where I can... Can't wait to see the Rover in the metal :)
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Those missing bolts will be UNF thread (or UNC if threaded onto an alloy casting). BL did not start moving to metric until the 1980s.
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xantia_v6 wrote: 07 Sep 2023, 07:02 Those missing bolts will be UNF thread (or UNC if threaded onto an alloy casting). BL did not start moving to metric until the 1980s.
Even then they did it in a particularly BL way...

I particularly remember the XJ-S where anything physically attached to the head was metric - everything else was imperial. It just made working on the engine even more annoying than it already was because you needed two toolkits on hand.
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I have rather a lot of catching up to do on this thread... but that Rover is a lovely car!
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c16rkc wrote: 07 Sep 2023, 14:28 I have rather a lot of catching up to do on this thread... but that Rover is a lovely car!
You might want to set aside a week to read this thread! Zel covers a lot of different subjects with a wealth of knowledge.
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c16rkc wrote: 07 Sep 2023, 14:28 I have rather a lot of catching up to do on this thread... but that Rover is a lovely car!
Hopefully it will provide you with some entertainment. There are a good few years of my nonsense on here!

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Thermometer was showing 32C in the shade here so I wasn't expecting to be up for spending much time outside, and sure enough I wasn't.

My main intention was to try to track down the reason that we were popping 25A fuses on the ignition switched circuit. Of course today that has behaved impeccably. Right. That's going to be one of *those* problems then. The fact that everywhere in the car I look I keep finding more blown 25A fuses suggests to me that this has been an ongoing problem for a while.

On a related note I investigated the temperature gauge - and there's no life from it. Nor any voltage getting to the sender. Given that both the fuel and temperature gauges are showing absolutely zero signs of life this makes me suspect that we may have issues with the voltage regulator in the instrument panel. Of course I don't have one in stock currently so will need to get one ordered. I also need to look up how to get the instrument panel apart as it's not immediately obvious and I don't want to go pulling on or levering things given that we're dealing with plastic which has probably gone quite brittle by this age. I need to ascertain if the clock is getting power as well as that's also on the "not working" list at the moment, so that's another reason I need to get into the panel.

One thing I did successfully do however was fix the radio. Yes I know that should be about item number 3,498,093,453,798 on the priority list...but it was an easy quick win I could tick off, and I wanted to know if the head unit actually worked.

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Which sounds precisely as bad as you would expect it to through what appear to be the cheapest speakers that anyone could find in the late 80s. Someone has already cut a couple of holes in the parcel shelf, so I'll probably (discreetly) fit something a bit more modern there to do the heavy lifting (and to fill the holes in the shelf). Not going overboard though. At least that's what I'm telling myself.

There was no power getting to it from its original feed (which was spliced into another factory looking line I need to hunt down on the wiring diagram - as that could be the source of our short potentially), so I nicked a feed from a mystery wire which looks like it goes to some long-dead alarm type unit buried behind the dash. At least I know exactly where that's coming from rather than relying on mystery wiring.

Bit of a shame it's lit amber rather than green, but given the panel above it is also lit green over white it doesn't clash badly.

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Definitely something funky going on with the headlight wiring or switch. Mainly in that the headlights come on in dip mode as soon as you move the switch to the sidelight position. Plus only one headlight is working. Will investigate that tomorrow. I'll need to get some new light units ordered anyway as this is still running sealed beams on all four lights, and given the cost of those these days and the failure rate of new old stock ones I'd rather just be rid of them and switch to H4s for the outer, and I imagine H1 or similar for the inners, which are only used on main beam.
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