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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - Xantia Activa, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D, AC Model 70.

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Today mostly consisted of me chasing this stuff around.

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Then fitting loads of these.

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The sockets in my room needed sorting because I pulled one out of the ceiling yesterday. Needed to add an extra socket anyway as I wanted to bring Chris' network connection through here rather than being hooked straight into the router. Also meant I was able to get rid of the network cable that's been trailing across the hallway upstairs for the last year and a half.

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After:

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Once the various loft based cabling was routed (which required nearly two hours of Tetrising stuff in the loft so I could get to the tiny gap you need to feed stuff through to get it from the West to North "wings" of the house) and a couple of lines were added in my room I could then actually tidy up the wiring to the switch. Originally this had just been a haphazard mess which made my teeth itch every time I looked at it.

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It really doesn't seem fair that the bundle of grey wires running along the ceiling here represents almost an entire day's work!

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Another few cable clips were added since I took that photo to tidy up a couple of bits that were visibly sagging a bit.

In other news relating to my workstation I picked up a nice little upgrade for my PC. I've been keeping my eyes open for a new graphics card as the Radeon HD 5770 in there has been becoming increasingly glitchy of late. Usually manifesting itself by the window compositing system getting stuck in a loop when drawing animations...but only on any two of the displays at a time. The issue also popped up under Windows when doing 3D intensive things like running games, so pretty confident it's an issue with the card rather than a bug in Compiz or Mate.

Not exactly bleeding edge these days, but this should do everything I want it for.

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It's a GeForce GTX 1060, so is five years newer than my old card at least

At £65 it seemed worth a punt. Just waiting for a power lead adaptor (this has an 8-pin PCI-E power socket rather than 6) before I fit it. That should be here tomorrow though. Fingers crossed it will give me a bit of a performance boost (and get rid of the random glitching). Not expecting miracles (it's a 2006 machine it's going into, but despite that I know the graphics card was by far the biggest bottleneck), but getting more than 20fps in Minecraft while a video is playing in another window would be nice. Nvidia GPUs are far more widely compatible with the distributed computing work I do generally too so hopefully that will help boost my numbers.

Looks like I've got an extra display output too...that will be welcome as I've always liked the idea of using an additional one to one side just as a system status monitor. I've got a little 14" Iiyama one which could fit nicely next to the clock. After painting though as it's REALLY badly yellowed.
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You've just done the opposite to me Zel... With my new broadband install I took the opportunity to rationalise as far as I could and retired a 24 port switch and lots of Cat 5 cabling...

I'm now wireless for all but the little PC that acts as a little server, mainly for backups, and my laser printer... They both plug directly into the back of the router...

That graphics card looks a bit special... I was intrigued to learn that high end graphics cards are so powerful they were used to 'mine' bitcoins. Are bitcoins still a thing or have they slipped into digital obscurity?
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Bitcoins are still a thing, but mining them has become a specialist activity, as the processing power required to find them ramps up exponentially as they get found.

The cost of electricity to mine them can be greater than the value of the coins, so to improve efficiency, mining moved from GPUs to FPGAs and then to specialist ASICs.
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Thanks Mike :) Gosh, when you have to consider the cost of electricity that's some very serious processing power indeed :shock:
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CitroJim wrote: 01 Nov 2020, 07:56 You've just done the opposite to me Zel... With my new broadband install I took the opportunity to rationalise as far as I could and retired a 24 port switch and lots of Cat 5 cabling...

I'm now wireless for all but the little PC that acts as a little server, mainly for backups, and my laser printer... They both plug directly into the back of the router...

That graphics card looks a bit special... I was intrigued to learn that high end graphics cards are so powerful they were used to 'mine' bitcoins. Are bitcoins still a thing or have they slipped into digital obscurity?
The issue we have here is that because of the design of our house and the materials used we always struggle with wireless signal quality - which is why we've got two access points running at opposite ends of the house. Also there's a powerline network as that seems to be the only reliable way to get connectivity into what we call the Purple Room without drilling holes through exterior walls (it wasn't originally a room, but a covered outdoor area where the combined heat and power unit lived, enclosed to form an additional room back in 1986). Main use for that is just to let the handful of computers that live in a corner in there running distributed computing tasks to phone home and send the completed work in periodically. I don't like using this technology as I know it kicks out a shedload of RFI, but at the moment it's the only practical solution I've been able to come up with for that room.

A good chunk of that cabling is routed to things which historically have plugged straight into the router, but I've relocated to this switch because the traffic handling on the router is laughably poor. The black device sitting on top of the switch in the above photos is the wireless access point for that side of the house.

I think we've all got fed up with wireless "nearly most of the time" working but always playing up right when you really need it, so for anything that doesn't need to move I'm trying to get wired connections hooked up.

It will be interesting to see what happens once we get the new internet service installed and I then see where the new bottlenecks appear once the laughably poor Sky router is out of the picture.
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Knowing your house Zel, that all makes perfect sense :) The Wi-Fi coverage from my new Vodaphone router seems quite good... Works to quite a way up the road and I have no dead-spots at all... Main thing is, it's strong in the workshop ;)

You are not the first to make remarks about Sky routers... The one had with my old Plusnet service was never very good for Wi-Fi coverage and its DHCP server fell over only hours after commissioning it and never work reliably again... It needed a daily and sometimes twice daily reboot to keep it working.

For all the time I had Plusnet I ran dhcpd on on my little Linux server after going through the pain of trying to get a new router from Plusnet and all the aggro that involved. Initially nobody at Plusnet understood what DHCP was or what my issue with it was...

Eventually I got to speak to a proper clued-up Plusnet engineer who admitted the router's DHCP server was a known issue and another router may not be any better... He advised my use of dhcpd was by far and away the best solution...

I'm wondering if Sky and Plusnet routers are the same innards in a different box?
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It's the foil lining in the walls which causes the biggest headaches I reckon. Usually when you look at the detailed readout on the wireless status you'll find there's something like 87% signal strength...but about 12% signal quality courtesy of all the reflections. Keeping the wireless base stations at the extreme ends of the house seems to work far better than centrally though.

I would like to try setting up a proper mesh network sometime and see if that worked. They use far lower power base stations, but with a whole load of them dotted around the house, one in each room if you wanted. Sadly at a few hundred quid it's not something I'm willing to just take a punt on. Routing network cabling is far cheaper...and if I'm honest, once you've got it all loomed up and have all the cable flags on the ends at the switch...quite satisfying.

Downstairs is more of a headache though as there's nowhere really to drop cables down. The wall void stops at floor level because of how the place was constructed. My current plan to get a feed down to the lounge (mainly so we can get a wired connection to the plethora of games consoles Chris has down there) is probably to drop a cable run down through the floor of the Annexe in my room down into the garage. The previous owners never capped off the holes they made in the wall in there when they fitted some additional mains sockets in the lounge...so getting at those is easy. There's a double socket buried behind the sofa we don't use so I'm thinking split that into a single socket and a single network point. I'm not messing about routing individual lines back upstairs for each console, I've got a few of those little five port switches floating around. I'll just stick one of those in the cabinet and tie them all in to that. By the very nature of what they are it's unlikely more than one will ever be active at any one time. That's exactly the sort of application those tiny little switches are ideal for.

Got the new graphics card installed this afternoon. I've had it a couple of years now but still can't quite get enough of how well thought out this machine is. It took longer to unplug things to put the machine on the desk than it did to swap the card.

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Wider view...

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Quick tour for anyone who's not seen inside a Mac Pro 1.1/2.1 before. The large rectangular box at the top left is the 5.25" drive cage. It pulls straight out towards you, no screws or anything. Only fiddly bit is threading the data cable out as it's *just* old enough that the stock optical drive is IDE rather than SATA. I've never bothered changing it as it works just fine.

Upper right is the power supply. Getting that out is a bit if a chore but they're pretty bulletproof by all accounts and rated to 980W so more than man enough for most applications.

Below that there are four 3.5" SATA hard drive bays. These slot in end on, and are unlocked when you open the case. The drives are held on to the caddy's with thumbscrews. Drive change takes less than a minute.

The huge grey rectangle at the lower left houses two hefty 120mm fans (3A apiece - and hovercraft noise levels flat out!), The lower one is ducted through the CPU heatsinks and then over the memory, the upper one blows straight into the expansion bay (the only visible void in the whole system).

CPUs live under the slightly more shiny metal cover roughly in the centre of the lowest level. The memory (all 64Gb of it) is fitted to daughter boards which slot in at the lower right. Then finally you can just see a bit of the fourth 120mm fan, that one used to pull exhaust air out.

If all the fans are running hard it's like sitting next to a car with a viscous fan and a seized fan clutch. However the thermal design is such that you are rarely aware of the fans...and all being large means they rarely have to spin quickly to shift ample air. The CPU heatsinks aren't exactly insubstantial either...

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With everything back together I then had to make a run out to get some cables. The previous card had 1x DVI-D and two Mini Displayport sockets. I'd had one monitor hooked up through a DVI to HDMI adaptor and the other two via Mini DP to HDMI ones. The new card has 3x Displayport, 1x HDMI and one DVI-D. I was interested to discover that the DVI connected monitor was actually hooked up with a DVI to HDMI cable...then plugged into a HDMI to DVI connector at the monitor end (that one only has VGA, DVI or Displayport connections, no HDMI). Realised quite quickly it was because I didn't have any DVI leads long enough. The other two monitors are HDMI or VGA only...so I went out and picked up 1 decently long Displayport cable for the left monitor as it is the one which natively supports the standard, one Displayport to HDMI adaptor for the right display, and the middle one could have the one HDMI socket. Sorted. I also dug out from my own stash a DVI to VGA adaptor as I wanted to make use of a fourth output.

I got a nice surprise when I booted the system back up.

When you buy bits of random secondhand computer hardware from the likes of Cash Converters or CEX sometimes you lose. Sometimes however you very much win.

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Here's a photo of the NVidia control panel...note the top line and spot the difference.

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Yep...while it was labelled up in the shop as. 3Gb card it's actually the 6Gb version. This is a double win (aside from the £60 price difference!) as the 6Gb card actually has a faster GPU than the 3Gb version.

The numbers surrounding GPUs made my head spin a bit. This is graphics accelerator card which has a GPU onboard with can crunch math at rates around four teraflops...Yes. TERAflops. That breaks my brain just a little bit. This is a card from 2016 too!

I'm not an avid gamer, the main reason I was in the market was that I'd been starting to have issues with the old ATI card, but generally like to future proof things if I can. Realistically this is probably the last upgrade this machine will see - with the possible exception of an SSD at some point if I stumble across one cheap enough - as at the end of the day it's a machine from 2006, albeit a very expensive one when new.

Having said that though, the difference in the couple of games I tested (the only one I do play with any regularity is Minecraft in creative mode as it's like having an infinite bucket of Lego) is absolutely staggering. Seeing 50+FPS out of a 14 year old computer from 2010-15 era games with all the options set to "make it pretty" I was not expecting.

What I am really curious to see though is how big a jump I see on the distributed computing work. I know that at least one of the projects I'm doing work for has the facility to utilise CUDA equipped GPUs for computing...so curious to see how than pans out.

My last task for the day though was implementing monitor number four. Did I *need* a fourth one? Absolutely not. I reckon so long as they're a good size, three is probably a good number. The right hand two of mine are 24", the left is 23" if I remember rightly. Big enough you can comfortably tile two windows on each in a portrait orientation anyway. The main thing I'd have liked a fourth one for would be to just have a system resource monitor left open. I don't need it, but my sense of order likes to know what's going on. Plus it looks cool...

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I'd be lying through my teeth if I didn't admit to being tempted to add a fifth on the other side of the clock to balance things out... though I lack a matching monitor.

That little very, very yellowed Iiyama one was part of my workstation when I first hit the working world back in 2005. Was rescued (with permission) when we moved buildings and it was destined for the skip. It's horribly yellowed and has image retention issues. However it will do just fine for this application... I'm torn between trying to Retrobrite it or just paint it.
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That heatsink is awesome Zel :D

My gosh, what a set-up you have there :cool:
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I am a bit of a gamer (with a VR setup), and I have an Asus dual RTX 2080 card with a decent amount of memory (12GB, if my memory is correct). Makes gaming quite an experience.
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Have to agree with Jim there Zel, that is a great setup, but can it make a cup of coffee? :-D
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mickthemaverick wrote: 03 Nov 2020, 13:11 Have to agree with Jim there Zel, that is a great setup, but can it make a cup of coffee? :-D
:lol:

Reminds me of Arthur Dent's experience of trying to get a cup of tea out of an intelligent vending machine on the Starship 'Heart of Gold', the one with the infinite improbability drive, in the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy...

I can't recall the name of the vending machine in question...
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CitroJim wrote: 03 Nov 2020, 15:22 Reminds me of Arthur Dent's experience of trying to get a cup of tea out of an intelligent vending machine on the Starship 'Heart of Gold', the one with the infinite improbability drive, in the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy...

I can't recall the name of the vending machine in question...
Just read a question from and American: "What to you Brits call a 'fridge"?

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myglaren wrote: 03 Nov 2020, 16:49 Just read a question from and American: "What to you Brits call a 'fridge"?

You can imagine the flood of sarcastic repartee that followed.
First one was "Usually we call them Gary but they prefer to be called Gaz"
Just went hilariously downhill after that.
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CitroJim wrote: 03 Nov 2020, 15:22
mickthemaverick wrote: 03 Nov 2020, 13:11 Have to agree with Jim there Zel, that is a great setup, but can it make a cup of coffee? :-D
:lol:

Reminds me of Arthur Dent's experience of trying to get a cup of tea out of an intelligent vending machine on the Starship 'Heart of Gold', the one with the infinite improbability drive, in the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy...

I can't recall the name of the vending machine in question...
It was one of the vending machines on "The Heart of Gold". Later on Arthur explained how to make a PROPER cup of tea to the vending machine, and things got serious. The vending machine explained tea to Eddie (the ships' computer), and they started dealing with the concept, using all of their processing power. Unfortunately at that time the ship was under attack, and when the 'crew' (Zaphod, Ford, etc.) tried to get away they were unable to do so, as nothing on the ship was available for them to use. Arthur was somewhat embarrassed, especially when Zaphod said something like "Dying for a cup of tea?".
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Hell Razor5543 wrote: 03 Nov 2020, 22:10
CitroJim wrote: 03 Nov 2020, 15:22
mickthemaverick wrote: 03 Nov 2020, 13:11 Have to agree with Jim there Zel, that is a great setup, but can it make a cup of coffee? :-D
:lol:

Reminds me of Arthur Dent's experience of trying to get a cup of tea out of an intelligent vending machine on the Starship 'Heart of Gold', the one with the infinite improbability drive, in the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy...

I can't recall the name of the vending machine in question...
It was one of the vending machines on "The Heart of Gold". Later on Arthur explained how to make a PROPER cup of tea to the vending machine, and things got serious. The vending machine explained tea to Eddie (the ships' computer), and they started dealing with the concept, using all of their processing power. Unfortunately at that time the ship was under attack, and when the 'crew' (Zaphod, Ford, etc.) tried to get away they were unable to do so, as nothing on the ship was available for them to use. Arthur was somewhat embarrassed, especially when Zaphod said something like "Dying for a cup of tea?".
Ahh magic :D Thanks for fleshing out the details of that James :D I'm laughing at it all over again :lol: The HHGTTG will never grow old... I remember listening to the first series when it was first broadcast on the wireless... It's got to be getting on for 40 or more years now... And still it sounds so fresh...

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Was the vending machine a product of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation? The mob who made Marvin the Paranoid Android? A prototype 'Droid with 'Genuine People Personality' :roll: :lol:
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