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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - Xantia Activa, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D, AC Model 70.

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bobins wrote: 05 May 2020, 10:10 Apart from the body, chassis, and steering yoke - what was actually custom built just for Invacars, as opposed raids on various parts bins ?
Not a huge amount...it really is a fantastic example of multi-national parts bin raiding. Off the top of my head Austria, Italy and the USA are represented in addition to a plethora of bits from the UK.

From memory here are the components I'm aware of being made specifically for the Model 70.

[] Body shell.
[] Chassis.
[] Glass *as far as we know.*
[] Handlebar yoke.
[] Dashboard moulding.
[] Driver's seat & mounting hardware.
[] Wheel studs (3/8" BSF one end, 3/8" UNC the other...just why?!?).
[] Gear selector (actually built into the seat base).
[] Handbrake pull.
[] Front suspension assembly.
[] Gearbox (not the CVT part, that's bought in from Salsbury - now Comet).
[] Fuel tank.
[] Heater/choke control box.
[] Heater air distribution box.
[] Exhaust silencer.

As far as I'm aware the rest was all parts bin stuff, though there may be a few things I've forgotten.

It's almost like one of the world's most well thought out kit cars. This does make it rather easier to live with than it otherwise would be - once you figure out where they got stuff from anyway.
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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - Xantia Activa, Jag XJ-S, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D, AC Model 70.

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Adrian Flux, the gift that keeps on giving.

Got the cancellation sorted fine after not an unreasonable amount of time on hold, and the paperwork came through pretty quickly.

NCB shown: 3 years. What the? It should be 15.

The policy I had with them (since about 2008 I think) was a multicar one, and the NCB was originally attached to the 107. Turns out that when I took that off cover in 2017 (because I sold it), rather than do the sensible thing and transfer it to another car on the multicar policy - or heaven forbid, ASK ME, they just left it floating around not attached to anything.

As that policy ended more than two years ago, the NCB is now dead and gone.
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Gits. An intelligent person would have noticed this happening on the update and told the policy holder there and then, so they could ask for it to be transferred to another vehicle.
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This is the same company I've called at least half a dozen times to (unsuccessfully) attempt to remove a named driver from. Eventually I gave up.
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An update on the insurance nonsense..

I did eventually get back through to someone there who seemed to know what they were talking about. They agreed that when that policy was cancelled *specifically because* the reason for cancellation was "sale of vehicle" they should have asked me what I wanted to do with the NCD that was allocated against the policy. In the absence of instructions otherwise, if I had another policy active with them to which it could be applied, it should have automatically been transferred.

They were able to confirm that something should have been done, and that no end of policy NCD summary had ever been issued.

After no small amount of time on hold and head scratching on their side they were eventually able to get things reinstated. Sadly there are two years missing because there's a gap in the middle where it was in limbo...but this brings the total up to eleven years, which is a lot better than three. I'm calling getting them to admit that they messed up a win and leaving it there I think. Especially as they would have been within their rights to tell me that I should have spotted it sooner and brought it to their attention. The NCD figure is in there in the policy documents from when it was renewed last year - albeit in one solitary tiny box in a table about twenty pages into the thing. I had to look through it three times before I found it.

It's sorted now at least and I'm going to leave it at that. Not double checking that is a mistake I'll be making in the future though!
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Linea Directa (Direct Line) here simply tie all your policies to you as a client, with multi-car - and home - cover all acquiring a discount as soon as a second or subsequent one is added. Simple quantity discount. None of them is regarded as the 'root'. Simples.
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There's an interesting post on the Adrian Flux website as to who owns what insurance companies - it was updated last year.
https://www.adrianflux.co.uk/blog/2007/ ... surer.html
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If only they weren't so damned expensive.
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It's One Call I've ended up using. They were the cheapest be a decent margin, and the setup process has been the most streamlined I've ever used so far. All done through their website, which even my autistic brain didn't struggle with in the slightest.

Given the quality of the customer service and number of things Adrian Flux have fouled up over the time I've been with them and how hard it's been to fix, I'll not be touching them with a barge pole ever again if I can avoid it.
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Was a day or two back that these things I'd been waiting for turned up.

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These were hopefully the last things I needed to finally get the nearside wheel on the Invacar reattached to the hub in all four points. Sadly it would be another couple of days before I'd have a chance to get back into the garage.

This morning another little package arrived.

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Which will allow me to tidy up the front indicators. Just out of shot is also a couple of oil filters.

Had a brief sidetrack attacking the tape adaptor I've been using in the Jag.

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While it worked fine it had a major drawback in that it made a horrendous racket.

The easiest solution I've found for this in most cases is to simply remove the innards from it. Some cassette decks won't work if you do this as they rely on the rotation of the reels to detect the end of each side. This one however doesn't, and will quite happily run without anything inside the tape. So this lot can go in the bin.

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This means that I now can listen to music without a horrible clicky squeaky noise in the background.

Back into the garage.

First up, having finally got hold of a couple of oil filters (having thought I had them in stock but discovering 3/4 of the way through the oil change that I was wrong) I could get that fitted and finish the oil change.

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I'm going to have to spend some serious time cleaning up in here soon...everything is just covered in paint because I was an idiot and didn't properly mask off the engine bay before doing the paintwork. That's a job for another day.

Speaking of clean though, this is the first time that the oil hasn't turned visibly darker the moment it's poured into the engine - this had been running for a few minutes.

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So having spent a good portion of the afternoon putting it off it was back to fighting with the hub.

Even with a good cobalt drill bit drilling into this hub is an absolute nightmare. After the best part of an hour of fighting with the drill and then the tap...

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...Yes! For the first time since the start of September the wheel is actually attached at all four points and tightened up properly.

The shonky using-old-wheel-nuts-as-conical-washers arrangement there on the other bolts was only intended to confirm the thread size in the hub and to prove that bolts would work. It's been confirmed that wheel bolts from a Mk I Morris Minor have the correct thread and right sort of conical head, so there are a set of those on the way.

If the hub wasn't such an absolute pain to drill and tap I'd seriously consider using the M12 bolts in all four holes as they're substantially beefier than the 3/8" ones.

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As it is I'd not be able to drive it like this anyway as the 3/8" bolts currently in there are too long so they foul on the brake shoes.

Huge step forward though!

Next step will be to pull the wheel and drum off to clean the inevitable swarf from the drilling and tapping operations out of the drum, then once the new bolts arrive we can get back on the road!

...Then we can see A: Which gremlins I've forgotten about in the last nine months, and B: What new gremlins have developed while she has spent nine months sitting dormant in the garage.

This will be a good thing given that the Jag isn't exactly...frugal...on continuous local runs! Van is actually astonishingly frugal around town, but as 3/4 of the places I've been needing to go lately have height barriers so it's not an option!

Looking forward to buzzing around in the Invacar again. Especially as I'd just got the CVT sorted out when the whole wheel stud debacle started.
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Hopefully the new wheel bolts for the Invacar will turn up in the next couple of days. In preparation for that I pulled the wheel and brake drum off so I could clean things up ready for the road again.

Wasn't actually as much gunk in there as I was expecting. Bit of swarf, but nothing too difficult to clean out.

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The long term plan is still to change the hub as I'm not 100% happy with how close the wider drilling has taken it to the edge of the casting. The thread hasn't been cut as well as I'd ideally like either, though I did give it a good old heave today on the bolt and it didn't strip, so I'm not too worried.



I had a look at something today. The difference between the 4X100 PCD (used on the Invacar) and the original 4X98 that Fiat originally used.

The bolt holes in the brake drum are actually big enough that there's enough clearance for these holes to be used. The only thing actually preventing them being used is about 1mm of metal on the wheel.

The question springs to mind of whether a specialist would be able to make that tiny modification. It's a question I think I might ask of a couple of companies...seeing some of the mad banding mods and such it would seem a relatively easy job. If it *was* doable that would eliminate the potential stud headaches once and for all.

Before folks ask, yes I have looked at the 12" Fiat wheels from the 500 - the offset is significantly different so the tyre would foul on the wheel arch (can't remember on which side off the top of my head).

I've got one of the front indicators swapped out. Just need to go back in with a brush to touch in the paint around where the old seal was removed, was fully expecting that to be needed as the construction of the new unit is slightly different.

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I will see if I can get the old lenses cleaned up properly though as the moulding of the original lenses is of a far better quality (unsurprisingly).

The other one will be done when I next have the car out the garage as the offside front corner is really awkward to get at when it's all the way into the garage.
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Not really much to report today.

The indicators looked odd without the gasket behind them, even though they're not really needed to form a seal with how the new units are constructed. So I went out and set about removing as much of the paint from the old gaskets as I could then refitted everything.

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Not totally sure why the one on the offside appears to have swollen up a bit (assuming it's reacted with the thinners in some way) but the other one hasn't...will have a dig through the boxes and see if there's a spare floating around in one of my boxes of assorted junk.

Sadly no sign of the new wheel bolts yet. Had hoped that they might turn up today, but sadly not, so she's still sitting on a jack.

I did think about tackling the brake disc change on the Jag - in fact I even hauled the tool boxes out to it, before realising that the trolley jack still has an Invacar sitting on it. Oh.

I could have faffed around and dug it out, but I didn't honestly feel like it. Nor do I particularly want to jack 1700kgs of Jaguar (including 400+kg of drivetrain alone!) using the one in the boot toolkit if I don't have to.

Slightly irked I decided to revert to type and faff around clean things.

When I first started the paintwork I was grossly naive where quite how far the overspray would travel which had resulted in a bit finding its way onto the tail light lenses (I honestly have no idea why I didn't just remove the units entirely and put them somewhere well away from the painting).

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A bit of a scrub with some G3 cutting paste sorted that out.

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I assume there should be a gasket of some sort between the lens and the back plate, does anyone know if this is a flat gasket or just a tubular section rubber one?

Something worth bearing in mind - when folks say that that soda blasting media gets everywhere, they mean it! There must have been a quarter of an inch of it inside both tail lights! Gave everything a good clean, greased up all the contacts in there so as to prevent any issues with future corrosion.

When we were pulling down the trees a week or so back I slightly underestimated the flail range of one Leylandii tree when it came down and managed to swat the front of the van. It was just the brushy bit at the top so no damage done save for a scuff.

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Nothing a quick bit of polish couldn't sort.

Glad there's no actual damage done. Lesson learned - everything gets *fully* removed from the driveway before we do anything like that again.

Quiet day really.
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*Bashes...head... against...wall*

Either the existing bolts I've got aren't actually 3/8" BSF as I ordered, or Morris Minor wheel bolts are not actually 3/8" BSF.

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Ignore the damaged bit on the end of the thread on the longer bolt, because it's too long it fouled on the brake shoe when screwed in.

The Minor bolts are BSF, but not 3/8". Guessing 1/4"?

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I was all set for this being a ten minute trip into the garage and this would be sorted sufficiently to leave alone for a while...so much for that.

At that point I was about ready to go full Basil Fawlty on the thing or toss a lot match into the garage.

A bit of further digging this evening revealed there was a front hub assembly still available on eBay. Been there for a while actually. I'd originally been dismissing that as I was sure I'd read somewhere that the front hub used conventional splined studs as per the Mini.

The parts manual however simply lists one part number for the wheel studs and shows a quantity of 12 per car...so they should be the same. Closer examination of the photographs on the listing shows that they are indeed screwed in. Suffice to say I clicked buy it now at that point without a moment's further hesitation. I'll still need to source new wheel nuts and figure out how to extract the studs from it without damaging them... that's half how we wound up in this mess!

Though I'm telling you right now that if everything wasn't closed, that hub would have been off and on its way to a machinist today to have all four holes drilled out to take M12 bolts! My only worry there is how close it is to the edge of the hub itself - and I'm wondering if that's why they used such an oddly small diameter stud.

So it's not going to be sorted this weekend...but we're getting closer. Hopefully!
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I thought that Morris (before the Austin merger) often used metric threads. Are they M10?
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xantia_v6 wrote: 10 May 2020, 00:42 I thought that Morris (before the Austin merger) often used metric threads. Are they M10?
Entirely possible. Either way they don't fit which puts me back to square one!
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