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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - Xantia Activa, Lada Riva, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D, AC Model 70.

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Hell Razor5543 wrote: 24 Nov 2019, 18:01 I like it when things are properly and solidly built. One of the best keyboards I have ever used was the Windows 95 keyboard (with a 5 pin DIN plug) from Fujitsu. If you were the sort of person who typed as though you hated the keyboard all that would happen was you got sore fingers (oh, and the keyboard worked properly nonetheless). I have taken it apart to clean it. From top to bottom it went;

Top casing,
Matrix casing (with LOTS of screws holding it to the steel backing plate),
Key cap,
Key head,
Spring,
Spring cup,
Rubber membrane,
Upper contact membrane,
Separator membrane,
Lower contact membrane,
Steel backing plate,
Bottom casing.



If you have ever seen the film "Wanted" you will know that James MacAvoys' character hits Chris Pratts' character with a keyboard (breaking the keyboard and, I think, knocking out a tooth). If he had used a Fujitsu keyboard there would be a lot more in the way of injuries, and the keyboard probably would still be useable!
That's very visually similar to a Northgate keyboard I had once. It's nice to see that there are actually companies starting to make decent keyboards again now as people actually seem to have realised how horrible the plastic mush we usually get these days has got.

Northgate Omnikey Ultra was probably my favourite keyboard, sadly I lost that when IT upgraded my workstation at work when I was out of the office and binned it. Furious didn't even come close!

Close second was the board in my old Toshiba T5200 portable - unsurprisingly as it uses the same Alps key switches as the Northgate board.

Third is the ubiquitous IBM Model-M. There's a reason they're so sought after, and still being produced. They are lovely things to type on, and nothing feels quite like a buckling spring board - though they are incredibly noisy!

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Gibbo2286 wrote: 24 Nov 2019, 20:47 This is a version of the one we had, a bit later than ours and not as pretty ours was in a red cabinet.
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That's the bigger brother of the little Crypton Motorscope 335 that is currently in my garage.

...Same multimeter that I use for most things too!

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Today was the day to get all the digital cards out for a check over and to get everything reseated.

So here are the digital boards, from left to right.

"CRT" - This is responsible for taking the data from the computer and converting it into a composite video signal which is fed to the monitor.

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"MUX" - Handles all the analogue to digital conversion, signal processing and such like. Initially I thought "oh my god bodge wires" when I saw this, before realising those wires are all shielded coax, so they have just decided it's a more reliable way of getting a clean signal across the board than using PCB traces. Even if it does look a bit shonky.

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The whole machine is astonishingly free of bodge wires actually...especially for a design from the late 70s where they usually would find *something* after the board's had gone to be made...

Lovely white ceramic package on the ADC.

"I/O" - No great surprise, does most of the heavy lifting with regards to the actual I/O side of things.

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"CPU" - Unsurprisingly, contains the CPU and the 64kB of RAM it makes use of.

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"MEM1" - Basically all the ROM. Interesting to see that while these initially all look to be EPROMS, they're not. While there are some, there are also a shedload of character generators. My guess is they're using this to give greater control over the display without going to the lengths of full bitmap control.

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"PP" - Pre-Processor. Not actually entirely sure what this does, though I have to assume basically just does some general housekeeping which we would normally expect to be handled directly by the CPU these days... purely a guess though.

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The EPROM here was losing its label, so a bit of black tape was applied to help keep the data safe.

Probably the main reason I would love to find an actual service manual for this (VERY unlikely as Sun kept really quite tight control over) is that it would probably give me a really good breakdown of the actual system architecture - sadly there's a lot of hardware in here I've never worked with before, so there's a learning process involved.

All of the socketed components on these boards were reseated while I had them out, as I knew this had already sorted one problem.

Turns out that while it's not fixed everything (the gas analyser is still failing the self test), it has definitely helped. Previously we had complete nonsense shown on the voltage readout. Now however we seem to have sensible data shown.

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The column on the right is showing the data from when I had a car battery connected to the voltage measurement lead, the one on the left is with the leads shorted together. Had to do that as it's smart enough to know when there's nothing connected and will just blank the display for that measurement. Helpful in the real world...but slightly awkward during testing!

Not worrying too much about a 0.2V offset at zero for an instrument of this type, the reading with a load connected was spot on...multimeter was showing 12.23V.

Worth noting that we appear to have more sane readings on the vacuum gauge as well now, that was tending to wander around quite a bit at rest too.

Definitely progress.

Know this is repeating myself to some folks I've spoken to about this, but I figure it's worth mentioning one of my plans for this thing long term to the world at large. One of the useful things about the monitor the computer is that it's simply a self-contained composite unit. The signal from the computer to it is simply carried by a twisted pair of wires. So it would be a truly trivial task to cut into that and introduce a switchable video source.

My intention here is to fit a small self contained computer (probably a Raspberry Pi because I know I can just throw Debian at it rather than having to muck around with it) somewhere in the case. This would then allow me to use the monitor there to view manuals, data sheets, instructional videos etc in the garage on something a bit more user friendly than a tiny phone screen. It's a really nice sharp screen so should do just fine.

I'll do doing nothing which cannot be reversed easily. The only thing I'll need to fit to the outside of the case will be a switch to change video sources. Luckily I won't even need to drill a hole for that as there's a convenient rubber bung by the remote control input for an option port...so I can just put a hole into that rubber bung rather than drilling a hole in the actual case.

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Just seems a really nice way to bring it functionally into the 21st century somewhat to help it perform the sort of tasks it was originally designed for. Quite often I find myself in the garage with a wiring diagram of something open on my phone and getting really fed up with the screen turning off every five seconds...so having a fixed screen which I can't drop under the car will be most appreciated.

So that's what will be getting done to improve it in addition to the actual service and repair work.
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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - Xantia Activa, Lada Riva, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D, AC Model 70.

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I see that Crypton are still in business in Birmingham, supplying all the kit needed for running an MOT station.
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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - Xantia Activa, Lada Riva, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D, AC Model 70.

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Zel - I don't know whether this is of any use to you, but I located a Manual for the SUN 1215 - I've put a PDF copy on my filestore - here's the link:

SUN 1215 Manual
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GiveMeABreak wrote: 25 Nov 2019, 12:35 Zel - I don't know whether this is of any use to you, but I located a Manual for the SUN 1215 - I've put a PDF copy on my filestore - here's the link:

SUN 1215 Manual
Thanks for that. I do have a paper copy of that (well the slightly later version, that's for the first generation machine - but aside from the cover they appear identical), though it saves me scanning it!

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Is this the point where I should cue the classic mad scientist manic laughter?

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The display is actually a lot sharper than it looks there, my camera is unsurprisingly not too keen of taking photos of an interlaced CRT display. While it's not exactly a 1080p TFT screen, it's perfectly usable and will be more than good enough for looking up the odd bit of information or watching instructional videos on.

There is a little screen burn, but it's really not noticeable in person unless you were actually looking for it. The camera makes it look far worse than it really is.

Test video to see how that looked was of course Aussie50's infamous washing machine destruction video where there really did look to be - as he himself put it, "a real life physics engine malfunction" at one point.

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If you want to see what happens when you throw a few kilograms of unbalanced weight into a washing machine which has has the counterweights removed and had the motor hard wired to the mains, the video is over here on YouTube.

Definitely shows that the idea to use the display for dual purposes isn't a bad one. Sure there will be more to follow on that project at a later date.

Edit: Earlier in the evening I was out in the garage executing boring household tasks, namely extracting some stuff from the chest freezer that's been in there for years and is obviously never going to be used. Once I was done with that I figured it was really about time that I gave TPA at least a brief run as I don't think she's been started since I had the wheel stud snap. Decided that while I was at it, I may as well stick the camera recording...the result was a 15 minute or so ramble about the fleet in general and my tip of a garage with some Invacar noises in the middle.

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Apologies for the portrait format. I realised I'd made that mistake about five minutes in but really didn't want to start over or have to mess around editing two videos together for what was meant to be a really quick job. Will try to do better next time.
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Well that's maddeningly unhelpful.
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Car was last running a few days ago. Battery is less than a year old.
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Currently on the charger, though then I need to find out why it's flat. Really hoping the alternator isn't having issues, as having to replace that in addition to all the other work that's coming up really might be the straw that broke the camel's back. Especially as it looks like it will be a royal pain to change due to poor access.
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Which one is that on?

If it's only reading 11.35V then the battery is probably stuffed - isn't 12.1 or something considered discharged?. Hopefully you can get a warranty replacement.
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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - Xantia Activa, Lada Riva, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D, AC Model 70.

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RichardW wrote: 28 Nov 2019, 12:17 Which one is that on?

If it's only reading 11.35V then the battery is probably stuffed - isn't 12.1 or something considered discharged?. Hopefully you can get a warranty replacement.
Xantia. My guess is we've lost a cell. It's been on the charger on the conditioning cycle overnight and was reading okay this morning. Will probably be heading back to Costco though to see about a replacement...once it's been that flat it's never going to be 100% again.

On the plus side, the alternator looks to be charging fine...was quite worried there for a minute.

Will be a bit though before I get a chance to do that though. Got a message sent through to BL Autos today to see when they can fit me in. Tomorrow will see about getting the tyres replaced and if there's anything we can do with the exhaust to get it through the test. I'd still really like to go with stainless...especially as I seem to recall when I last looked a couple of months ago finding the correct system for the TCT engined Xantia wasn't the easiest task. Ain't happening this month though!
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The Activa is officially booked in to BL Autos on the fifth to sort out the failed control arm bush and basically anything they find amiss... hopefully this will get rid of the knocks the front end has had ever since I got the car. I'm not looking forward to the bill.

This afternoon I'm going to see if we can get tyres sorted out.
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Control Arm.....are they fitting a new arm with pre fitted bush or changing just the bush itself ?
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It's an Activa, will need to be bush only...
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RichardW wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 15:10 It's an Activa, will need to be bush only...
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Hell Razor5543 wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 16:53
RichardW wrote: 29 Nov 2019, 15:10 It's an Activa, will need to be bush only...
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I'm working on the basis that they know these cars, so are getting a pretty broad brush "fix it" instruction with the exact methodology used in that left to their judgement.
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This afternoon an envelope containing four 3/8" BSF bolts dropped through my door.

The big question of course was whether they would fit the hub of the Invacar, given the hassle we've had on that count so far.

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Yaaaaaay!

I can now confirm that the threads in the hub are 3/8" BSF.

With a little fermangling the old wheel nuts (which mostly had somewhat mangled threads) were drilled out to act as conical washers for the time being.

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These were destined only for the bin so I had no worries about messing with them.

This meant that for the first time since September I was able to attach the wheel to the car again.

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...Which meant the car is actually sitting on its wheels again rather than axle stands.

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Obviously won't be getting driven on the road like this, especially with the remains of the original stud still being in there. However it will mean that I can at least move the car in and out of the garage until such time as the replacement hub turns up. Given that I need to shift it to get the Crypton machine out of there...that was getting kind of important.

While I was in the garage I figured it was time to have a better look at the booster fan for the heater.

Bit of experimentation was needed, but eventually found somewhere to put it where it was out of the way.

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I hadn't been successful in tracking down the correct reducer to attach the ducting straight to the fan housing...so out with the duct tape. Not pretty but it's air tight.

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The messy assembly was stuffed back in the corner.

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It will be bolted onto the top of that rear wheel tub. Currently it sticks out like a sore thumb. It will however be getting painted in hammered black before I'm done which should make it blend in and look like it's meant to be there.

The airflow isn't fantastic, but is far better than the original setup was unless you were going flat out. Plus you can switch it off...which couldn't reliably be said originally.
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Xantia is now wearing a nice new set of Uniroyal RainExpert 3 tyres.

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Tell you what I wasn't expecting...that changing the tyres has reduced road noise by what feels like about 70%. It's not something I was expecting at all, so took me a good few seconds to figure out what had changed.

I'm glad to be back on these tyres to be honest. Have been on others for a few years now down to availability and what cars came with...but the RainExpert has been my tyre of choice going back pretty much to the start of me driving back in 2003.

Annoyingly she will definitely be wanting rear discs for the MOT as they've only been working on a small portion of the rear of the disc - quite likely due to the usual Xantia issue of the caliper alignment being screwed up by dissimilar metal corrosion between the axle and caliper.

Deceptive this problem as the rear brakes don't do much in the Xantia unless you've a lot of weight onboard - the brakes in this one feel quite capable of stopping the rotation of the planet itself as they are.

Front discs will do a bit yet, but the pads are definitely getting towards due for a change.

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Couple of weeks over two years and ~20K miles.

The exhaust has also decided to be annoying, having somehow managed to part company with the rearmost hanger.

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Still not quite sure how it's managed this...though the whole system appears to have managed to get twisted somehow and this is the first day it's not rattled in several months. Will see if I can convince it to behave tomorrow.

If I can get this exhaust through the MOT I'll be happy...as I'd really rather not have to add another hundred or two onto the bill (and finding systems that actually fit well for the Xantia is a pain at the best of the time, irrespective of price). I'd like to get a stainless system made...but I could do with a chance to recover from the work about to be done before having to pay for that too!
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