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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - Xantia Activa, Lada Riva, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D, AC Model 70.

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Well that's been???? a less productive afternoon than I'd have liked in terms of Invacar bodywork.

The primer I applied yesterday appears to have reacted with the paintwork underneath it and had dried to a crackled finish - but hadn't actually dried fully. So there's going to be a lot of work to remove that befo?re I can move forward with that. Kind of wish I just had some nice gloopy coach enamel to throw at it right now!

After a couple of hours of fighting with that I lost patience with it and moved onto other things. The moment that my sa??nder decided to expire with an almighty bang I decided to take as an indication it was time to move on to something else. I'll drop by Toolstation tomorrow and pick up a more substantial sander...have a feeling that's something which I'll thank myself for in the long run.

Number one in "other stuff I need to do" ?was trying to track down the blasted clutch fluid reservoir cap which I'd in a spectacular show of hand-eye coordination dropped down the back of the engine. Thanks to the "busy" nature of the engine bay in the Activa I couldn't even see where it had ended up, never mind being able to get at it. ?

Attempt number one to coerce it to fall out the bottom was by poking an air line down the back of the engine and blasting it in various directions. No luck. This was then upgraded to the hose pipe, equally unsuccessful. Eventually I gave in and got the ramps out. ?

After a not inconsiderable amount of poking and prodding the cap eventually dropped out, not entirely sure where from actually as it just randomly landed n?ext to my head from somewhere else. ?

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Managed to get?? the thing back on this time. I suspect there's still some air in the system somewhere as the pedal isn't great. That will need some further thought as there's no provision for bleeding the system. For now th?ough it's driveable at least so I'm not going to worry too much.


Having finally sourced the correct fan belt for the van I figured it was time to see if I could get that on and see if? it would resolve the extremely irritating squeaking at idle. In addition to a very dry squeaking which I'd initially thought to be a bearing in something disintegrating until I discovered it stopped if you sprayed water on the belt, it would also periodically do the slipping fanbelt screech, especially if you had the headlights on putting some load on the alternator. To be fair that's the only thing which really does pull power from the battery...glowplugs are usually on for <5 sec?onds and she usually fires first compression stroke so the starter motor doesn't really have time ?to drain any appreciable charge from it...I was pretty sure the belt was just old though. ?

For reference - here's the squeak we're talking about...not pleasant. ?

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This took far??? longer than it really should have as it took me a good 45 minutes to work out how to release the belt tension. This is a bit more involved than in some cases as there's an automatic tensioner which needs to be backed off. That still doesn't give you enough slack though until you've also disconnected the vibration damper which is attached to the other side of the tensioner. Then there's *just* enough slack to wrestle the belt off.

While it's free of any damage the running surface is really quite badly glazed.

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It was? quite obvious??? when trying to get it off that anything you did that made the belt move resulted in ear piercingly high pitched squeaking - fair sign the belt was the source of it squeaking at idle. Despite the new belt being 2mm shorter (according to GSF 6PK1015 is an obsolete size, nearest they could supply is 6PK1013) it slipped on without protest. I then spent the next half hour trying to reassemble the tensioner.

On the plus side, it will take me ten minutes next time I do it. Not difficult, there is just a very specific order you need to do things in. Hopefully I won't drop my socket set into the engine bay next time either.

So, after well over an hour...did we stop the squeak?

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Yes...we do now appear to have a squeak free van. Exhaust? still rattles a little at idle from time to time but there's ?not much to be done about that as it seems to be something actually internal to the silencer, it doesn't always do it anyway and isn't audible from inside the cab at least

Quick road test supported my initial assessment that indeed we do now seem to be squeak free.

Finally... that's only been on the to do list since September.

Last task for the day was a "period bodge" for the Lada.

Yesterday we were in a hurry to try to get to a shop before they closed (we made it) and as such were "making? goo?d progress" at a few points, much to the bafflement of a couple of Audi drivers. The car was quite happy to do this and actually feels a bit better for it - however the duct tape on the offside wing didn't survive the extreme velocities involved and started to disintegrate.

I'd never bothered messing with filler or anything as I'd always found it horrible stuff to work with and I reckoned I'd just make things worse. Plus I know the wings will be changed long term anyway. However as mentione?d a couple of days ago this Fibral stuff is far, far more user friendly...so I figured we'd give it a sho?t.

Stuffed a couple of foam offcuts under there ju?st to hold things in place while it sets, then set about filling the gaps.

End result (prior to sanding of course) was this. ?

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I reckon once that's sanded back???? and painted we should be able to get a perfectly acceptable repair there. If I can get it to a point where it's "inoffensive" rather than being the first thing you notice I'll consider that progress.

As far as the actual rust goes I'm not worried. I've absolutely drowned the area in Dinitrol and there's no sign of it having got any worse since I got the car. She's kept off the road when the salt is around too which I'm sure has helped ?too.

If this looks okay once I've tidied it up I'll probably do the same on the other side. Oh...and I reckon this stuff should do just fine to repair the rear windscreen washer bottle...so I can fix that and get the rear window washer going...only been broken since 1993.

Have a sneaking feeling I'll be roped into gardening all day tomorrow so probably won't be much to report then. ?
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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - Xantia Activa, Lada Riva, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D, AC Model 70.

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As predicted had hardly any time at all in the garage today??? because this had to be sorted out.

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Got? started around 1000. Eventually fell back in through the door about 1900. Path still needs attacking with the pressure washer, but it's a lot better than it was.

I did get a couple of things done tho?ugh.

?Firstly was actually digging out a hole for the compressor to live in so I didn't keep falling over it every time I walked into the garage?.

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Long term?? it will go in the far end of the garage and I'll have piping installed to get the air to where it's needed. For now though this will do. It's a noisy sucker of a thing so I may well make a "shed" for it outside and just pipe the air in at some point.

Following the (violent) expiry of my detail sander yesterday I made a trip out to pick up something a bit more manly which hopefully won't go pop as soon as it gets worked hard.

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That seems? a bit more like it. Didn't realise when I picked it up that it's got an adjustable speed control, but that's quite a nice feature to have. It'll have a baptism of fire shifting that horrible undercoat that's been put on the Invacar! Obviously will need to either fix my existing detail sander or get a new one to deal with the fiddly bits as this one is obviously not a precision instrument!
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Not been anything car-wise going on here today (scheduling an appointment from 1330-1530 does a good job of destroying a day's productivity) but ended up finishing up getting the path cleaned up...for all it's a minor task in the grand scheme of things, it makes a big difference in the first impressions when walking up to the house.


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Need to get some mortar to touch up a few bits. Aside from a bit of lifting of the slab in one spot it's not looking too bad for a 38 year old brick path though.
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Re: Zel's Fleet Blog - Xantia Activa, Lada Riva, Sinclair C5, Mercedes 208D, AC Model 70.

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False Alarm, spotted an Apache today, not a Najavo :-D Correction it might well be a Navajo after all....no little windows in the roof above the cab. What do you reckon Zel? It had dimples if that helps!

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That's a Navajo I believe. I really do need to sit down with a list of AutoTrail's models at some point to properly get my head around what's what and exactly how to tell them apart...
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Managed to spend five minutes in the garage this evening - before the phone rang and I had to down tools again. It let me actually test the new sander though.

Wow.

Why on earth didn't I pick up the right tools in the first place?!?

In the space of about two minutes I had the front bumper smoother than it has ever been.

It's going to make the cosmetic finishing work so, so much less frustrating.

This was the work of about 30 seconds and is way flatter than it has ever been (including when leaving the original factory) though obviously is still a bunch more reworking to be done.
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Speed control is going to be a godsend, aside from reducing the violence involved and cutting too deeply, keeping the head speed down should vastly reduce the dust levels - the old sander used to basically behave as a fog machine...

The sandpaper I've got is a bit too aggressive I think, so will be picking some more up, should hopefully make some pretty quick progress then.

Edit: Added image and additional paragraph which vanished during the transfer from the text editor to this webpage somehow.
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Got a few things??? in this morn?ing.

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Wow...that respirator is so much more comfortable than my old one (for which filters ceased????? to be readily available for a couple of years ago and I used the last one a while ago). It must be half the weight for one thing. ?

Mainly though it means I've got a decent variety of sanding discs on hand meaning I could make a meaningful start on mission "Remove all the horrible crinkly primer from the Invacar."

That's one mission... here's the biggest problem p?aint wise though. I have *not* painted this panel yet.


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Some other panels have???? even more layers on.

The top coat on there is ridiculously thick, poorly adhered to the undercoat (so it tends to chip off in chunks), and has quite a rubbery texture which appears to be precisely the right consistency to clog sanding discs.

I am seriously starting to consider attacking the thing with paint stripper...though I've no idea whether that's likely to be bad news for the fibreglass itself... anyone got any idea?

A good 80% of the spot repairs I've got to? do are due to pits and chips in the top coat...just getting back to a more or less bare shell would probably save me a bunch of ti?me.

After an absolute hell of a couple of hours I got the bulk of the gunk off the offside front wing and was able to thro?w some more (decent!) primer at it so I could see what I was doing. Couple of bits needing some more filling but we're getting there. This primer is basically just a guide coat here and will mostly be sanded back off, I find it nigh on impossible to see what the surface is doing without a uniform colour laid down.

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Remember what a??? mess this looked like a week or so back?

We're getting there.

New sander is a great bit of kit. The speed control is an actual speed control too...so even at the lowest speed you've got the full 1200W on tap. Reckon this ?will be probably more useful when polishing than sanding, but it's a feature I wasn't expecting. Likewise the fact it's got a soft start system. Trigger is nicely weighted and well placed, and the latch is well positioned so it's easy to reach but hard to activate accidentally. Well happy with it so far. Item code 80451 from T?oolstation if you're looking for one.

While it's producing an order of magnitude less dust tha?n the old one was, it's still going absolutely everywhere.

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I really need to have a good think about??? the Invacar paintwor?k. ?

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It's just such a mess (even discounting the rubbish I've slathered on) that painting over it is going???? to get me nowhere. Sanding it *all* off will take forever...and given how fragile fibreglass is I'll probably mangle a bunch and require even more repairs... really wish I still had random bits of bodywork sitting around I could throw some Nitromors at to see what happened...

How *would* a body shop strip paint from ?a fibreglass car? Know media blasting would be the first stop for steel...but I'd assume that's too violent for fibreglass. ?
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Zelandeth wrote: 29 Jun 2019, 00:57
Some other panels have???? even more layers on.

The top coat on there is ridiculously thick, poorly adhered to the undercoat (so it tends to chip off in chunks), and has quite a rubbery texture which appears to be precisely the right consistency to clog sanding discs.

I am seriously starting to consider attacking the thing with paint stripper...though I've no idea whether that's likely to be bad news for the fibreglass itself... anyone got any idea?

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A mate of mine found out that a turbo nozzle on a decent pressure washer is easily capable of removing paint on cars. Have a guess how he found out :lol:
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bobins wrote: 29 Jun 2019, 08:08 A mate of mine found out that a turbo nozzle on a decent pressure washer is easily capable of removing paint on cars. Have a guess how he found out :lol:


Sadly I've already tried that...it will remove some of the looser chunks but won't touch the bulk of it.

I've picked up some paint stripper for now. I'll start with one of the truly mangled areas so I've not lost much if it eats the gel coat too.
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Lidl have a 'universal paint thinner' Zel.
I can't offer any more than that, don't know it's composition but if the one you have doesn't work it may be worthy of a trial.
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We've got family???? staying at the moment and I'm designated taxi driver so my car time is generally going to be quite sketchy over this coming week until next Tuesday. Not that my time in the garage is ever exactly reliable at the????? best of times.

Today I had a brief quiet h?alf hour though and I had a nice plan in place for what I wanted to do.

Paint stripper test. ?

Further to what a few folks have said regarding "just paint over it," I'm afraid that really isn'?t an option. This is what the finish is like in several places. Ther?e's just no way you'll ever get it smooth - and those bubbl?es a?re going to cause more trouble as time goes on??.

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That paint needs to go.

There was some questions over whether paint stripper would dissolve the surface???? of the fibreglass as well as the paint...I was 90% sure it would be fine, but obviously wanted to be sure before slathering the car in it. ?

Conveniently there's one bit of the body which? is both easily accessed and well hidden - under the engine cover. So? ?l?et's throw a bit at it there and see what happens??.

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Results were good????. It didn't seem to show any interest in attacking either the resin I'd applied? or the gel coat on the fibreglass, excellent. Yes that whole area nee?ds to be rebuilt, but that's a fair ways down the to do ?list?.

Encouraged by this, we slapped a bit of it over the top of the rear quarter???. These are very important areas in terms of paint finish as the sort of vestigial tail fins are so integral to the styling of the car.

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Then attacked it with a stiff brush.

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Pretty quickly the top coat started???? to come apart, revealing biblical amounts of high build primer?.????

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Which also??? came off without any particular effort, revealing the gel coat below.

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As predicted there's a lot????? of crazing and ancient repairs present, hence why the car has been painted in the first place.

Interesting to see how much the removal of the paint has improved the definition of the lin?e along the top of the "fin" compared to beforehand...not surprising how many layers there were?.?

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Other side was treated???? to the same routin?e?.

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I think this is definitely the right?????? approach based on these findings and the faffing about I've already wasted time on. I've far more chance of getting a halfway decent finish if I get rid of the existing paint first. Obviously I'll need to rework a few repairs first and then actually need to properly paint it all at the end of the day...how good a finish I'll get will be entirely down to ?my prep and my work. Reckon this will be an easier road than trying to get anything to sit flat over what's already on there.

Will pull the engine cover and tail lights off next and try to get the rear moulding stripped back tomorrow or shortly. At least then I should hopefully be able to see what I'm wor?king with. Might actually have a shot at getting her looking hal?fway reasonable by the time the Festival of the Unexceptional rolls round...?

?Maybe... ?
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Getting? the impression that there are two types of paint on this car: the stuff which will come right off and that which is utterly immovable.

I think I'll just go round th?e car getting the easier stuff off then will have a look what's left.

Again today I didn't really have much time to play with but was determined to make at least some headway. ?

So played automotive Tetris so I could get the Invacar actually out of the garage and see what I was doing. ?

?Set about slathering things with paint stripper again.

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Then ensued??? a good amount of waiting patiently followed by s????crubbing and scraping. Finally the pressure washer was employed to get rid of the residue so I could see what I was left wit?h?.?

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I need to???? pick up a better paint scraper, this one is so blunt as to be essentially useless. Think I need to be a bit more patient too to just see if it will slowly eat through the sections which have refused to budge so fa?r.

Nice to see the roof to bulkhead seal showing through again...feels like we are seeing progress though.

I'd really like to get a couple of hours in a stretch where I could just leave the stripper to work and hopefully get a couple of panels properly cleared.

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In other news, with the van having ceased squeaking at idle a really horrible sounding rattle/buzz was? brought to the forefront.

Initially this sounded like it might be related to the belt tensioner, but a bit of digging revealed a far simpler and easily resolved issue. The U-bolt holding the exhaust downpipe onto the bracket on the gearbox had stripped the threads? so it had worked loose. This clamp was reused because the one supplied with the exhaust was fractionally too small.

I made up a spacer with a few washers to pack it out returning the nuts to a solid bit of thread, allowing it to be tightened back up properly.

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Nice simple?? fix.

While I was under there I had a look at all the joints on the system for any signs o?f leaks now it'?s got a few miles on.?

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No tell tale sooty marks anywhere???? that I can see, nor could I hear anything chuffing so I'll take that as a win.



So the Invacar still needs paintwork, but at least the van is quieter at idle now. I hadn't realised quite how awful it was until sorting this! ?

Edit: Yes I know the front exhaust hanger is missing the rubber. This is another "things I've had to do to make a really cheap exhaust fit without touching stuff it shouldn't" and not buzzing. Think this being fitted made it lift another hanger elsewhere off so the whole thing wound up sitting squint. Just removing the rubber block seemed to be the easiest solution..?.the system is more than sufficiently supported.
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Zel, just to let you know that Tesla has another fan. I showed her a few of his pictures in this thread, and she thinks he is adorable.
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Zelandeth wrote:I need to???? pick up a better paint scraper, this one is so blunt as to be essentially useless. Think I need to be a bit more patient too to just see if it will slowly eat through the sections which have refused to budge so fa?r.
Try a proper trade warehouse - Crown or Johnstone's/Leyland.
The ones I have have lasted me for years - I do take care of them though.
If I remember correctly they are of Ross manufacture but the logo's have worn off with constant cleaning - I've had them since the mid eighties and think they wer £16 for the stripping knife (scraper) and £23 for the filling knife. Sounds a lot but they are nothing like the cheap s**t that are available at the usual DIY places.

I do let my kids use them but give them endless grief for not taking care of them, the filling knife in particular as it is very thin (would double as a razor) and easily kinked and kinked = ruined.

Ed: I wonder if a Scarsten scraper might work better?
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Hell Razor5543 wrote: 02 Jul 2019, 22:45
Zel, just to let you know that Tesla has another fan. I showed her a few of his pictures in this thread, and she thinks he is adorable.


He's good at adorable. Especially if he wants onto a bed or sofa.
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Though he's always pretty good at being adorable.
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