Elmas Xantia V6 and Musical Stuff

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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sorry hun it dont look like a pull clutch to me, have a close look at the release bearing to fork fitting

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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ps.
heres a pull crutch whoooops i mean clutch listed under later MK1 TD XANT

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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You're right Malcolm!!!

Must go to Specsavers!!!

Mind you, it must have been the very early ones that had the push clutch as my sinker was a May 1993 model and that was a pusher...

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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No chance to get the vin yet. Interesting diagrams, I thought I got the push pull difference but apparently I don't. Just off to read the thread about it thats been going on lately.

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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you can see/tell the difference by the cable linkage were it hooks up the clutch fork arm,

if the inner cable sits against a fixed/ non moving bracket bolted to the box and forward of the clutch fork arm, then the outer cable is sitting on the fork arm, then this type is a back to front pull clutch,

if the outer cable sits against a U shaped cut out in the gear box casting and below the battery and at the rear of the fork arm, with the inner cable attached to the fork arm, this is a conventional push clutch,

you do know your chassis/VIN No. is on your V5C registration document?????

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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V5 not arrived yet. I should make it over there today. I really want to get the summer tyres, h2 ECU and spare nsr door solenoid onto red. Should give me a chance to have a look and grab the vin. I'll have a go at the cluth pin if I get a chance. Could be busy though if the ice cream shaft arrives it needs fitting later which is 2 to 3 hours work and I have college at 18.00. Scary thing about the new rad, red Is overheating a little with it on. It looks a little thin, I hope it's not from a non turbo must check part number today. Hopefully just an air lock or something.
I've been thinking about fitting the Lucas injection system from the 306 to red when I put green on the road. Not sure if it'll happen but it'd be nice to get rid of the idle problem. I don't really care if pumps are Lucas or Bosch, in my experience they both are good unless servicing is skipped. Veg oil is that expensive its not worth the fuel filters it ruins anymore as far as I'm concerned.
Lastly I'll be popping to maplin later for some diodes, these are to try and get reds ECU working. I'm not absolutely sure where to put them so I'll crack open the brain to check the vn05ns and familiarise before I reread the threads. I understand mandrake used 1 amp rectification diodes (they look the same as the shotky diodes I used to put on rc motors to stop motor noise affecting the speed controller) so I'll ask for the same.
Red hit a milestone last night too, 111111miles and I got a picture. No idea where my camera lead is though so I'll share later. Looking forward to 123456 now. Sounds like I want both cars doesn't it? Oh dear.

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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Gosh Elma, reading that lot made my head spin!!!!

If the rad physically fits then it'll be OK, hopefully a bleed should do the trick. Might be worth checking the thermostat too...

A Lucas pump transplant is a potential possibility as the pump cradle is made to accommodate both pumps. It's a case of moving the flange studs to their alternative positions for the Lucas...

Electrical and cables will need to be swapped around a bit but one thing is that you must leave the old AS3 Bosch Pump ECU in place and connected as it controls the glowplugs and drives the tacho... Just remove the EML as it will be permanently on with no pump connected.. Basically, what you are doing is the same mod as I've done to swap an AS3 for a fully mechanical VP20 pump.

The Hydractive ECU diodes can be any rectifier type diode really. I use IN400x series... I have hundreds of 1N4004s but the Schottky ones will be OK.

No need to open the ECU, just follow Mandrake's instructions and pictures... In fact unless you know a VN05 has gone kaput it's best not to open the ECU..

Hope the Ice Cream shaft arrives and fits successfully. I'm sure there'll be a high demand for the stuff soon!

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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We have the shaft and the vans on the way. My cameras at the ready so I'll give you all a good look at the primitive workings of an ice cream van.

The pics on mandrakes thread give me error 404 when I try to view them. Which wires should I tap into and which way round should the diodes go? I'm going to buy a pair in maplin rather than use old shottkys.

I think I'll leave the ECU in the green one as its all working and repair the red one. 2 working xantias is better than 1.

Don't worry to much about the pump, its not going to happen until the clutch and timing belt are done on the green one. I just want to get the car sorted when its sat there and I have a Lucas pump, pipes and injectors on the garage. I don't think my car has a pump ECU so it may be even easier.

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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I could take a few piccies of the diode mod Elma but basically if you look at the (to be advised) connector on the ECU you'll see two thin white or gray (depending on MK1 or MK2) which are the positive feeds to the electrovalves and a thicker green wire with yellow bands.. This is the earth wire.. There may be several. Any will do.

Bare back a bit of insulation on all three wires and solder the banded end of each diode to the white (or grey) wires and the two other ends of the diodes to the green/yellow earth wire.

I'll update this later today...

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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That'll do nicely Jim, I've just brought the diodes home. It sounds like the same wires the 3 connectors on greens box go to.

Ice cream vans here now so probably no time for my car stuff until tomorrow with the exception of getting vin number from green.

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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elma wrote:That'll do nicely Jim, I've just brought the diodes home. It sounds like the same wires the 3 connectors on greens box go to.
Yes it is, precisely the same Elma :-D

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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Elma, its the white ECU connector, the one nearest the front of the car. The wires in question are grey on an S1 and white on an S2..

On an Activa the connector is green and there's three wires rather than two (for the three electrovalves)

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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Andmcit appears to have a spare 1.9 engine with pump attached. Might be worth enquiring?

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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Mod done, still stuck in hard mode. Solenoids still buzzing but not clicking, elma fed up. Not sure weather to open the ECU and check transistors, swap solenoids from green to red or just set fire to it. The front centre spheres probably dud as well, I'll go fetch one soon.

I'll not be buying andmcits engine, its a 350 mile trip on rubbish roads to collect it and I already have 3 engines for 2 cars. If I still lived in Cardiff it'd be another story.

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Re: Elmas Xantia VSX

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If they're buzzing Elma, there's nothing wrong with the output transistors in the ECU...

Do you have access to an oscilloscope for some more details checks? Also, you really need a Lexia on it...