Elmas Xantia V6 and Musical Stuff

[daviemck2006]

I would celebrate by giving the old girl a nice long easy drive just to settle her down.

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[elma]

Not happy today, been on the road for less than 4 whole days and I'm parked up again. The stupid engine top mount has broken again, obviously some underlying reason for it but I don't know what it is and my cars knackered again. I'll be onto the scrap yard tomorrow, for a mount not to scrap the car.


It started off as a productive day, I flushed the oil cooler and went for a spin, still overheating so Jims offered to help me put with a spare. I was feeling productive so decided to do the rocker gasket and the one on the air intake above the rocker cover.



Result is that the rocker gasket is changed, the air intake one isn't in the kit (there was a similar one at 3/4 the size that I thought was it) and I've broken the return pipe/breather pipe from the rocker cover. Breather pipe has been bodged up with garden hose and insulation tape until I can get to the 306 to rob its one.



The rocker gasket (and that hose I broke) was hard and brittle, it snapped with a bit of flex so no wonder it wasn't doing the job. My biggest worry now is what state is the head gasket in? As far as I've delved into this car every piece of rubber and every gasket needs replacing, I've always wanted a pressure tester and may now buy one.

[Northern_Mike]

If your Xantia has those screw on valve cap type cooling system bleeders, you can pump them with a foot pump. Any leaks will show up easily and it's way cheaper than a pressure tester.

Vorsprung berk Technik

[elma]

If your Xantia has those screw on valve cap type cooling system bleeders, you can pump them with a foot pump. Any leaks will show up easily and it's way cheaper than a pressure tester.

Vorsprung berk Technik

Thats a fantastic idea. I was going to take the cap from my 306 and put a tyre valve onto it, your way saves a lot of hassle.

[CitroJim]

Elma, that's odd about the engine mount..

Is the underlying rubber cone it sits on OK? It's actually a rubber spring filled with oil and if it's punctured and all the oil has leaked away then the mount will be rigid to the inner wing. That might be a contributory factor so I'd not take a chance and replace that too...

The other suspect might be the lower mount is rotten and allowing the engine to rock excessively...

Have you got the two rubber dampers in place either side of the top mount and the heavy bracing bar across the top?

[elma]

I'm not sure about the cone, the Xantia had the better of the two when I took the top brace from the 306. Everything else is present and correct. I'll get the top plate from the scrap yard tomorrow and order the lower bit soon as I can. It's broken in the exact same place as last time so the cause is likely to be the same. I thought it was the rear of that wedge missing in the 1st picture from last time, apparently not as it was replaced. Look at the gap in the 2nd picture (todays one) though, shouldn't that be in contact with the body?


I've just had a good look, the wedges are ok with about 1-2mm clearance from the body front and rear. The lower cone looks a bit old and it seems to not have much resistance to movement when the engine is revved gently. I think lower cone and new top bit again should do it.

[elma]

Is this the complete cone for the bottom of the top engine mount?
Looking at this thread I'm not sure if I need to find part 11 as well. The drawing is from a 2.0 though not a 1.9

[CitroJim]

That looks to be the right cone Elma....

I think that's all you need...

[elma]

On track so far, I ordered a lower cone for £20 which will arrive at 16.00 and the scrap yard have the metal bit which they want £18.50 for. Expensive day but hopefully my engine stays put after this.

[citronut]

here is price and part No. for the breather hose you broke, you know the one that had turned into plastic

Part Number Description Quantity Price excl. VAT Price incl. VAT Total incl. VAT Selection
0000118086 OIL VAPOR HOSE 6.12 GBP 7.34 GBP 7.34 GBP

[CitroJim]

Your replacement oil cooker is on its way to you Elma. It should be with you tomorrow morning if Postman Pat is on the ball

[citronut]

i made a sppecial tool for replacing engine mount No. 10 in your link elma, although it was on a pug 306,

i had a large wheel bearing outer race, cut away the edge creating 4 castellations to sit in the square troughs, then welded a large half inch drive socket to three short lengths of square bar placed at roughly eaqual points around the socket, then to the rim of the bearing race, works a treat

[elma]

Thanks Jim and Malcolm, looking forward to cool oil and part number was spot on. The guy didn't need the computer he knew exactly what I wanted and had it in stock.
I've sorted 2/3 of it now, breather pipe went on easily enough. I took the engine mount apart and found that the new one has a greater height rubber cone by about an inch. The factor went on Citroen service to get the part number so I'm looking for the correct measurements now to see if I've currently got the wrong one. For now I have only fitted the replacement top metal bit until I'm sure I have the right one. The top bit fitted too tight, the mounting pegs seem splayed out a bit, I removed the studs and they are straight so I wonder if the base is bent. Its cambelt off to change so I'll get another top bit and the bottom bit in case it goes again and keep an eye on it.
My xantia may be a bit different to a 306 Malcolm, I nearly went down the route of making a tool for those grooves and holes in the cone. There's a 16mm but on the end of mine though, accessed through a window in the wheelarch. I had to put it back on though in case the new one needs to go back.
The engines covered in oil again from going out to get the hose. My bodge was rubbish. I'll be needing to jetwash it, the oils in every nook and cranny I can't get a rag into.

[elma]

I've been silly, it is the right part. The old one has been squished by the weight of the engine. I can squish this one half an inch with my fingers. I guess I'll be fitting it in the morning.

[CitroJim]

Was the old one still squished when the engine load on it was relieved Elma? If so it's definitely not happy...