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northern_mike wrote: Sorry, I should have made it clear I was talking about carparts4less. I just used the reg number of the V6 I recently disposed of.
Same problem unfortunately. Carparts4less sell Pagid cables for the Xantia - I tried the Pagid cables too, bought over the counter, the guy in the store even showed me the dealer ordering website that recommended the same part numbers as carparts4less - we compared the cables in store when they arrived with my originals and he had to agree that they weren't compatible despite the listing... hilariously incorrect in fact. For whatever reason nearly all the after market suppliers have the wrong cables listed for the Xantia V6.

The only way to get both hand brake cables for a V6 is to get the left one from Citroen and the right one from GSF. After getting ludicrously wrong cables from three different after-market brands I got fed up and got the left hand cable from Citroen. GSF had the right hand one at a good price even though the length was incorrectly labelled. It's all in that thread.

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Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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Here's the exploded diagram with part numbers from Citroen for the V6 Handbrake.

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Notice that one of them is showing on there as NFP!

David.

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Can someone check if the left one is the same as the HDi110? I'm sure this came up 4 or 5 years ago when I had to replace the left hand cable on the HDi Xantia. There was some confusion finding that cable. The left one is longer because of the gearbox or something strange.

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Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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You are right about the gearbox causing a need for longer cables. I believe that the Xantias that are affected are the ones that use the ML5T gearbox and the autobox.

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Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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DHallworth wrote:Here's the exploded diagram with part numbers from Citroen for the V6 Handbrake.

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Notice that one of them is showing on there as NFP!

David.
Don't panic David - the right hand cable was NFP from Citroen back in 2012 as well.

GSF still sell it as PART NO : 731PC0090 so no problem there.

GSF also still list PART NO : 731PC0080 as the correct cable for the left hand side of a V6 two years after I pointed out to them on the phone that it is too short... :roll: (It's correct for smaller engines but not V6/HDI110)

However what does worry me is that there is no listing for item 7 (left hand cable) either NFP or not NFP ? :shock: Any idea why 7 is missing ? I logged into service.citroen myself to check and its not there... [-o<

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Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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The left handbrake cable details are;

4745 H5 for the ML5T and HP20 gearboxes (1295 length)
4745 N3 for the AL4 auto gearbox (1285 length)

The right handbrake cable details are;
4745 G6 except for the ES9J4 (1335 length)
4745 J4 for the ES9J4 and left hand drive (1365 length)
4745 J5 for the ES9J4 and right hand drive (1335 length)

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Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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LH cable is listed on a generic V6 search, so don't know why it doesn't show on your search.... :roll:

I fitted aftermarket cables to my HDi without too much bother (I had trouble with the other side not really being long enough) - but I well remember the trouble you had with yours! Typically, if the cable is seized it will feel slack for the first part of the pull, then go suddenly tight. It's normal for the handbrake to pull up on only the 3rd click or so - there's quite a lot of no-click territory - to counter the roll-away tendency they had when first released :)

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Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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RichardW wrote:LH cable is listed on a generic V6 search, so don't know why it doesn't show on your search.... :roll:
Ah, well spotted - thanks for reminding me about doing a generic search. I always forget you can do that. :)

When I do a generic search it lists 4745 H5 which is 1295mm long which is the correct length - although it lists it for the ML5T manual gearbox which is probably why it doesn't show up with a VIN search, but as the length is correct it should be fine! The price has dropped slightly too, £37 inc VAT. So they can still do the correct left cable and GSF can still do the correct right cable, (for about £15) so panic over! :-D
Typically, if the cable is seized it will feel slack for the first part of the pull, then go suddenly tight. It's normal for the handbrake to pull up on only the 3rd click or so - there's quite a lot of no-click territory - to counter the roll-away tendency they had when first released :)
Actually I don't think this one has had the ratchet teeth removal recall modification Richard. :shock: It starts clicking almost immediately and I'm only pulling the handle up a very short distance until the brake is on hard...maybe 1/3 of the distance of the old car. It does get stiff quite suddenly too so that suggests the cable is binding a bit...

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Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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I remember the handbrake problems when the Xantia was first launched. It even made the BBC 'Watchdog' programme. It was a simple but effective fix, taking a few teeth off the handbrake ratchet.

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Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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Hell Razor5543 wrote:I remember the handbrake problems when the Xantia was first launched. It even made the BBC 'Watchdog' programme. It was a simple but effective fix, taking a few teeth off the handbrake ratchet.
Yep - and in New Zealand not one of our three S1 Xantia's had had the recall modification applied! And apparently not this S1 V6 either... :roll:

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Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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The following link would imply your V6 is not affected by the handbrake problem;

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/apps/recalls ... search.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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So basically, the HDi 110 cable fits the the left hand side of the V6?

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Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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It does depend on the gearbox fitted, but I would say yes, as it is just the gearbox (on the left hand side) that affects the cable length. As the thread is discussing the larger engine (and, as a consequence, gearboxes) I didn't bother getting the handbrake cable details relating to the BE3 gearbox.

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Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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Yes, ML5T manual box (HDi 110, 2.0T) and 4HP20 auto box (V6) use the longer LH cable. Simon's problem was that despite a longer cable being listed, the one supplied was not - in fact one set looked nothing like a Xantia cable at all!!

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Re: Re: Simon's new Xantia V6 blog

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RichardW wrote:Yes, ML5T manual box (HDi 110, 2.0T) and 4HP20 auto box (V6) use the longer LH cable.
Can this be added to a sticky to save bandwith in future or save others confusion? :-)

"If you can't find a LH handbrake cable for a V6, order one for a 110 HDi" or similar....

I can even give a VIN and reg of a 110 HDi if need be...


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