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It could be that pedestrians' hearing might improve as EVs spread, and the general din of a busy urban road decreases.
Same hazard applies, of course, to not bothering to look out for cyclists (sorry, Jim).

No problem with EVs moving about in tight car parks - the noise of squeaking rubber on polished concrete is warning enough.

Always did like the way Paris metro trains on rubber tyres used to arrive without clatter and squeal at stations.

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white exec wrote: 19 Oct 2018, 11:43 Always did like the way Paris metro trains on rubber tyres used to arrive without clatter and squeal at stations.


Was that the reason for the fitting of the rubber tyres?

If so, it's brilliant... Only minor problem I recall in Metro Stations where rubber tyred trains call is the awful rubbery stench in the air...

But I'd rather have a stench than a squealing racket!!!
white exec wrote: 19 Oct 2018, 09:18
CitroJim wrote: 19 Oct 2018, 08:25 a synthetic clagfest too?
I'm sure one of these vaping widgets would do... :twisted:
Good thinking! We could have them smelling nice then too :) :lol: Strawberry flavour anyone?
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I HATE the taste and smell of those bloody vaping devices. I don't smoke (tobacco or vapes), but I can smell whenever such a thing is in use nearby, and I can taste the stuff whenever somebody is refilling their vape nearby, and the taste lingers for ages.
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Hell Razor5543 wrote: 19 Oct 2018, 14:35 I HATE the taste and smell of those bloody vaping devices.


James, I am right with you there 110% :evil:

I really hate it when I'm out running and a vaper (?) puffs out a huge cloud and totally engulfs me... Yuk and nasty!!!

I think I prefer to meet a real smoker on the streets now but they're an ever rarer species these days...

Mind you, when you see the cost of fags you need to be a millionaire to be able to afford it!
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Lack of vehicle noise is definitely an issue with pedestrians. I lost count of how many people nearly walked in front of the Skoda in car parks...while it's an old school OHV engine, it's very quiet at idle, and being in a sound dampened box at the back of the car left it essentially silent at walking pace. Was one of the reasons I was always going to stick a manual override for the cooling fan, so the front would make some noise then...

Granted, I've also nearly flattened people in car parks with the van too...and it is *anything* but quiet...

Best solution for my part would be have the "noise generator" just be to run the fan at a higher speed... nothing artificial or overly intrusive.

Next thing we know they'll be telling me I need to fit a vehicle presence warning and a flashing orange light to the Sinclair C5...

Have barely had it out this year actually...need to fix that. Though having nicked the battery for the Invacar probably hasn't helped...

That and I still need to get a new front wheel made up so I can upgrade the brakes to something actually useful...
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Zelandeth wrote: 20 Oct 2018, 23:24 Granted, I've also nearly flattened people in car parks with the van too...and it is *anything* but quiet...


Yes, because people these days are so oblivious and often 'plugged in' with ears fairly blocked with earphones and all senses devoted to their mobile phone whist drunkenly perambulating along totally immersed...

I'm sure Darwinian evolution will soon sort this issue... Maybe by evolving a third ear and a special third eye to afford some spatial awareness when engrossed in social media on the move :)

Some of these people are experimenting with a kind of guide dog but early results are disappointing as the dog more often adds to the problem...

And why do so many people look so miserable? I can only assume all this oblivion and immersion in their electronic friend is a feeble attempt to try to escape the real world they seem to hate so much...

Poor sods :(
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It's been a while since I've had any real car maintenance to talk about, aside from punctures, (both due to reliable cars and being bogged down in renovating and property work in seemingly every spare weekend :roll: ) but I paid a visit to Richard yesterday to fit the drop links for the Ion I've had kicking around in a box for over 9 months. :lol: We were lucky with the weather which held until we finished and it was good to catch up again, as it was quite a while since the last visit! :)

As expected Mr A Grinder was necessary - we made a halfhearted attempt to remove the first one with a spanner and socket drive torx bit and it looked like it might work at first but we soon gave up with Richard putting the grinder with cutting disc to work. On the second droplink we went straight to the grinder and had that one out in a couple of minutes. :twisted: New ones were dutifully fitted and that was that part of the job done.

While the car was jacked up I wanted to look at the annoying rattly front right caliper, at which point we discovered the bottom caliper slide pin was completely seized/stuck in the housing. #-o This is the one that has the plastic/rubber sleeve that sits on a recessed shank on the pin, vs the top pin which is steel only. People may recall I had trouble with that getting stuck before due to the rubber going soft and squishy and then riding up on the shoulder of the pin, so back in January I got new rubber bushes and fitted them with some silicone grease:

https://www.frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/ ... 8&p=563295

I actually didn't use the supplied grease (show in the picture in the thread above) but another silicone based grease which claimed to be suitable for the purpose which I thought would be better at reducing rattle, in hindsight maybe not a good choice. :?

The pin was totally resistant to being removed - it could be turned but was absolutely stuck solid as far as sliding in and out was concerned and I didn't think we'd be able to get it out, but after a lot of turning I finally managed to get it out. What I found was that the outside of the rubber bush was extremely sticky and I think the grease I used had gone sticky, this may have caused the rubber bush to ride up on the pin and get jammed between the pin and the hole. Also the bush seemed to have stretched and was now too long for the recess it is supposed to sit in! #-o

I had noticed a few times recently that the front brakes didn't seem to be working nearly as well as they should for emergency stops where I was having to push the pedal a lot harder than you'd expect. Because regeneration takes care of the light braking and I tend to drive in a style that doesn't require heavy braking in that car, if the front brakes have lost sensitivity you don't really notice it in casual driving. In hindsight its clear that the bottom pin being seized would have been preventing the front brakes working properly and may have been holding them on slightly too.

We checked the left hand side and sure enough it had the same problem, although it wasn't jammed quite as badly. Considering I just fitted these new rubber bushes in January I was not too happy! Not sure what to do to get it back on the road I ended up trimming about 1.5mm of length off the bush (as both had stretched enough to be riding up on the shoulders of the pin) greased them again and put them back in - both are now sliding smoothly again but I don't know how long that will last so this is only a temporary respite.

Sure enough, on the way home again the right one is still rattling a bit although not as bad. Having given it some thought I'm highly inclined to replace the slide pins with all steel pins - in other words order a set of top pins and fit them in the bottom and not have ANY pins with this stupid rubber bush on them. :roll: The top and bottom holes are identical and the back of the pins where the caliper bolts to are identical as well, so they'll happily fit.

I still really don't understand what the rubber bush is about - if it's an anti-rattle mechanism it's a complete fail as it doesn't stop it rattling! :roll: In my opinion the risk of the rubber swelling and jamming between the pin and hole again and seizing is too great. Dumb design!

Of course with all metal pins it may rattle more so I think I should also fit the optional "Disc pad noise prevention kit", which is item 14:
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Funnily enough I've seen what these look like in person as when I ordered the brake caliper repair kit (seals etc) they supplied the noise prevent kit by mistake before sending it back. I kinda wish I'd just kept it!!! They are basically full size pad backing shims with a kind of compressible rubbery material on the side that goes against the pad back - no doubt to damp squeal, (which I don't have a problem with) but the compressible nature of the material may help to prevent the caliper assembly from rattling as well.

Only £10 for this noise prevent kit, so if it works it's a no brainer to get it. So I think the next step is to get new metal pins and the noise prevention kit. At least I can guarantee then that that bottom pin wont ever get jammed again...

At motorway speeds there is sometimes a bit of vibration from the front which I haven't been able to identify - since freeing up that bottom pin the vibration seems to be mostly gone so I suspect the cause of the vibration was the seized pin not allowing the pad to sufficiently retract so any runout of the disc instead of pushing the pad clear on the first revolution would keep grabbing every time the disc went around as the pad would push back again.

While I was there we checked out a problem with Richard's Lexia - which didn't seem to work properly with his Peugeot. I tried my Lexia on the car, which worked perfectly with it, we then tried his VCI on my laptop - that also worked perfectly so we've narrowed it down to some software issue on Richards installation which is in a virtual machine, so I think he's going to do a fresh installation in a new virtual machine. I left a copy of all my install files so that he has known good installers that were used to install my working installation so I'm sure he'll get it sorted out.

In tyre news, it looks like I need to make another visit to Cooper Brothers next Saturday! #-o It seems that my new tyre has a slow leak. Well, when I say slow, it lost 10 psi in 2 weeks, and about 6psi in a single week. :( By contrast the other three tyres lose only about 1psi in a whole month, if that. Basically the others don't leak at all, so 6psi in a week is a relatively bad "slow" leak in my opinion.

So back I go next weekend. They must get sick of all my return visits...! :lol:
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Wow. :shock: I had to do a semi-emergency stop last night and the brakes nearly put me through the window. :lol: I guess that confirms that the seized lower guide pin is what was making the brakes feel dull and ineffective previously on a hard stop, as I didn't do anything else to the brakes other than (probably temporarily) freeing up that pin and re-lubricating it. That makes me even more determined to get rid of those stupid jam prone rubber bushes and fit a set of all metal guide pins. Hopefully the "noise prevention kit" is enough to make it rattle free even with all metal pins.
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It needs a set of those springs that were available for the Xantias with the bigger Bosch brakes that pushed the calipers up!

You might get away with a couple of turns of PTFE tape around the pins which will let them slide, but help to damp out the slack....
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RichardW wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 08:20 It needs a set of those springs that were available for the Xantias with the bigger Bosch brakes that pushed the calipers up!
I wonder if the "noise prevention kit" backing plates have a spring finger on the edge of them to do that as well ? I did see them in person in January before handing them back as the wrong part, and I remember that they were shims with a sticky rubbery backing on them but I don't recall the shape around the edges and the servicebox picture isn't detailed enough to tell.

I'm going to try to order 4 of the metal only pins and the noise prevention shims for it today. While I'm at it I'll see if I can get a new release handle for the left rear seat as I can only fold that seat down with a 10mm spanner at the moment.... :lol: The plastic handle has a square hole that fits over a square shaft from the seat - without any sort of metal reinforcing, so of course it has split and stretched. I've already tried epoxying it back together held together in vice grips while it set but it still jumps - I think too much plastic is worn away from inside the square hole and there is a lot of strain on it so I'll give up and just get a new handle. Another piece of bad design... :wink:
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The plastic handle has a square hole that fits over a square shaft from the seat - without any sort of metal reinforcing, so of course it has split and stretched.
Maybe worth trying a mod ?

Would a socket drive fit the square drive and reinforce the handle ....

Great news on the brakes ...that will surely sort them out ....
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Skull wrote: 13 Nov 2018, 12:14 Great news on the brakes ...that will surely sort them out ....

If I can get the parts ordered! #-o

I've phoned Peugeot Glasgow no less than 5 times since Tuesday at various times of the day trying to get through to the parts department, in all cases I'm told by the receptionist that nobody is available to take my call. Three of those times they've taken my number and promised a callback from the parts department, but of course no callback.

Please, take my money! :lol: I think the next step is to drive over there during the day and sit at the counter until someone will see me..... :roll:
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If the plastic handles are prone to splitting, would it be possible to externally sleeve the new one (short bit of metal tube) where it surrounds the square - just like a wood chisel ferrule?
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white exec wrote: 15 Nov 2018, 10:10 If the plastic handles are prone to splitting, would it be possible to externally sleeve the new one (short bit of metal tube) where it surrounds the square - just like a wood chisel ferrule?

Not sure.

I've actually misplaced the old one at the moment or I'd take a picture. The handle is mostly hollow on the back side with a square section of plastic that fits over the square steel shaft - this square plastic section is under immense strain (the mechanism has a pretty strong spring) and only has a wall thickness of approximately 5mm. Made worse by the fact that the square shaft has radiused corners rather than being truly square.

Radiating from this square section are some thin ribs to spread the load to the rest of the handle. It's this 5mm thickness section of plastic that has split on one side. I did epoxy it back together and squeeze it tight with vice grips while it set but unfortunately the hole is also slightly damaged so it still just slips on the shaft.

I suppose you could cut most of that square section of plastic out and replace it with a suitable steel sleeve but you'd then need a massive epoxy fillet to glue it in and spread the load. Sounds like a lot of hassle when I can just fit a new handle...

If a handle wasn't available I would consider such a repair of course.
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