Whatsthisthen?.the impossible one

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Whatsthisthen?..the impossible one?

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 09 Aug 2019, 13:56

NewcastleFalcon wrote:
08 Aug 2019, 23:03
My knowledge of american cars is minimal, but I saw a pair of them in the Northumberland backwater of Allendale today.

So have a go at these, the white one from a distance I thought was a Rover from the front end.

Number One
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Number Two
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Just the blue one remains

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Re: Whatsthisthen?..USA double header

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 09 Aug 2019, 14:17

Bit more assistance for USA number 2

Full side view with any giveaway badges/names removed. Nice that its a Sedan...
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Re: Whatsthisthen?..USA double header

Post by old'uns » 09 Aug 2019, 14:33

All Aboard.....
another weird front! edit..only the FMV by the look of it?

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Re: Whatsthisthen?..USA double header

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 09 Aug 2019, 15:38

old'uns wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 14:33
All Aboard.....
another weird front! edit..only the FMV by the look of it?
Can't quite work that one out. Check the front end out to confirm you are on the right track!
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Re: Whatsthisthen?..USA double header

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 09 Aug 2019, 15:56

old'uns wrote:
09 Aug 2019, 14:33
All Aboard.....
Yes Yes Yes! I have now educated myself..dont know what an FMV is though...
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"I’ve since discovered there are two schools of thought behind this phrase. It was used in a 1970s kids TV programme called Noah & Nellie. It was also used to summon British seaside visitors onto trip boats (dating back to the Victorian era), and since adapted for use by anyone who’s about to embark on a happy, holiday journey." from here
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Re: Whatsthisthen?..USA double header

Post by old'uns » 09 Aug 2019, 16:49

point nose is pre-facelift.
i thought the FMV was 2 door but cant find any info on FMV or what it was?

also very Vauxhall Belmont 'esque

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Re: Whatsthisthen?..USA double header

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 14 Aug 2019, 08:50

Yes indeed Number 2 is a Buick Skylark Custom
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Whatsthisthen?.the impossible one?

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 29 Aug 2019, 20:43

Here is all the evidence. I dont know what it is, and I didnt pull up the cover to find out. It is the impossible challenge :?: . So I am going to join in myself with the process, see if we can narrow it down. Ultimately I could find out myself by returning to the scene of the photo, but is there enough evidence in the pics to nail it :?:
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Re: Whatsthisthen?.the impossible one

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 29 Aug 2019, 21:18

Well that tyre lying on the top of the tarp is one of these
from here https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/525-550x17-lucas.html


5.25/5.50X17 Tyres
550X17 tyres or 525X17 tyres were reasonably common place tyres. Lea Francis fitted them in the late 30's, and Rover fitted 525/550X17 tyres to the Rover ten, Rover 12HP, Rover 14HP and Rover 16 HP .
Now that doesn't nail it down as that size was "reasonably commonplace" and who is to say the tyre on the top is from the car under the tarp. Its a start.

It also has a five stud wheel.

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.the impossible one

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 29 Aug 2019, 22:03

To me it has the shape of a cabriolet, a two door. Small possibility that the roof may have been cut off but unlikely.

The wheels are solid pressed steel with no spokes or "holes" and 5 stud as mentioned before.

I think we are looking at late 30's to early 50's as the likely period of the car.

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.the impossible one

Post by bobins » 29 Aug 2019, 22:20

In that case, there's a high chance that Gibbo either used to own one, service one, or had sold one :lol:

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.the impossible one?

Post by xantia_v6 » 30 Aug 2019, 06:06

NewcastleFalcon wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 20:43
Here is all the evidence. I dont know what it is, and I didnt pull up the cover to find out. It is the impossible challenge :?: . So I am going to join in myself with the process, see if we can narrow it down. Ultimately I could find out myself by returning to the scene of the photo, but is there enough evidence in the pics to nail it :?:

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My best guess is a Rover 12 (P2) tourer
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Re: Whatsthisthen?.the impossible one

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 30 Aug 2019, 08:25

xantia_v6 wrote:
30 Aug 2019, 06:06
My best guess is a Rover 12 (P2) tourer
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I think that has a very good chance of being a correct guess Mike. Next time I pass by, and it is fairly regular occurence, I will attempt a bit of detective work, ask a few questions and see if I can confirm the identification. I dont think its moving anywhere!

I found doing searches for the various possibilities, that my desired pictures of vehicles with their hub caps off showing off their "five studs" are very thin on the ground. There is some details of specs of the older vehicles and some do mention tyre size. I ruled out a hillman minx drophead due to the fact as standard they had 16" wheels.

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.the impossible one

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 30 Aug 2019, 08:47

The rover 12 tourer according to this listing had a tickford body and only 200 built, so if our whatsthisthen turns out to be one of them then it very probably has value even in its tarpaulined up state.

listing here of a grey one
https://car-from-uk.com/sale.php?id=67432
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Re: Whatsthisthen?.the impossible one

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 30 Aug 2019, 09:21

A bit of colateral information. Part of the "owners" stable photographed by me back in 2015 were these two.
A second Gold Volvo 164, and a Wolseley 14/60 (March 1938 1818cc).

A small relevance perhaps, the standard tyre size of a Wolseley 14/60 is 16" (6.00-16), maybe more confirmation that the tyre 5.25 5.50-17 on the top of the tarp came from the car under the tarp, and a pointer to a possible Rover 12 Tourer too.
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