Whatsthisthen?.the impossible one

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 12 Jun 2018, 19:37

Gibbo2286 wrote:
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The pink one is the German (Opel) equivalent to the Cresta from the late 50s, can't remember what they called it, Rekord comes to mind but I think that might have been smaller.


This is a useful site for nailing down years makes and models, consists of pics from many sources including manufacturers brochures, and a bit history of the model

https://www.classiccarcatalogue.com/

So I'll start off with 1960 and Opel and see what comes up.....

For the second one I too thought Renault...will give that a try too.

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 12 Jun 2018, 19:46

This is an Opel Kapitan 2.5L from 1959

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Could be close, although the Rekord of that sort of vintage is also very similar

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What do you think...pretty close?

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 12 Jun 2018, 20:03

.and number 2

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1957 from classiccarcatalogue has this picture of a Renault Fregate Grand Pavois

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Looks pretty close the fregate has that characteristic chrome piece just in front of the rear wheel.

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by Gibbo2286 » 12 Jun 2018, 20:32

NewcastleFalcon wrote:
12 Jun 2018, 20:03
.and number 2

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1957 from classiccarcatalogue has this picture of a Renault Fregate Grand Pavois

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Looks pretty close the fregate has that characteristic chrome piece just in front of the rear wheel.

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 08 Jul 2018, 21:58

I'll give you all I have got on this one. Its not a car, not even road-going. Its a luggage trolley.

But, on the trawl I have done so far a very unusual luggage trolley. Weardale Railway/Stanhope station and restored.

The unusual thing...its neither manual nor electric. Its a three-wheeler and appears to be "petrol" maybe 2-stroke.

Here's the external appearance in three-photos. Closest I have come so far is the phrase "Bonser Truck" 1950's. Any ideas for nailing it down?
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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by Zelandeth » 09 Jul 2018, 22:56

Easy if you follow my blog, but here's one to have a shot at.

What's this then?
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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 10 Jul 2018, 22:58

Zelandeth wrote:
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Easy if you follow my blog, but here's one to have a shot at.


This looks close, although the fluff on top of the hazards light maybe not quite right!
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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 10 Jul 2018, 23:02

My own platform motorised trolley Whatsthisthen? from Stanhope Railway Station still defeats me, the FCF and the internet, may have to ask a real human next time I am at Stanhope :-D

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by xantia_v6 » 11 Jul 2018, 07:40

NewcastleFalcon wrote:
08 Jul 2018, 21:58
I'll give you all I have got on this one. Its not a car, not even road-going. Its a luggage trolley.

But, on the trawl I have done so far a very unusual luggage trolley. Weardale Railway/Stanhope station and restored.

The unusual thing...its neither manual nor electric. Its a three-wheeler and appears to be "petrol" maybe 2-stroke.

Here's the external appearance in three-photos. Closest I have come so far is the phrase "Bonser Truck" 1950's. Any ideas for nailing it down?

DSC00366.JPGDSC00365.JPGDSC00364.JPG

Regards Neil

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That immediately struck a chord for me. I think that small trucks with the same front end, but different bodywork were used by the local council in the 1960s, either used by the streets maintenance department or the park gardeners (or maybe both). I will wrack my brain a little more.

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by Gibbo2286 » 11 Jul 2018, 09:34

Bonser or Bonsar not sure of the spelling.

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 11 Jul 2018, 10:27

Gibbo2286 wrote:
11 Jul 2018, 09:34
Bonser or Bonsar not sure of the spelling.
xantia_v6 wrote:
11 Jul 2018, 07:40
That immediately struck a chord for me. I think that small trucks with the same front end, but different bodywork were used by the local council in the 1960s, either used by the streets maintenance department or the park gardeners (or maybe both). I will wrack my brain a little more.
This little video of this Wrigley truck does fit. It has a Villiers Engine, and the general architecture is similar except that "my truck" has has handlebars and the worlds most uncomfortable looking round seat in the truck payload bed.
My truck has the Villiers V logo on the engine cover.



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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by MikeT » 11 Jul 2018, 12:11

A local Dog Warden took part in a Scout Carnival parade last weekend driving something like one of those....
http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/1 ... /#gallery0

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by bobins » 11 Jul 2018, 16:38

Quite a few of them out there when you start looking. It could be a model TF Bonser - but I'm not an afficionado so could easily be wrong :)

This picture courtesy of the Vintage Horticulture and Garden Machinery Club forum http://www.vhgmc.co.uk/

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And another from the VHGMC:

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This one (a 1965 TF) courtesy of a Cheffins auction catalogue from a few years ago - hammer price £1200:
https://www.i-bidder.com/en-us/auction- ... e0013ac9bc

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A bit more information on the truck's manufacture - complete with 3 different spellings of the Bonser name ! - can be found here:
http://tractors.wikia.com/wiki/Malcolm_Martin_Trucks

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by GiveMeABreak » 11 Jul 2018, 18:18

That'll be my next mode of transport.

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Re: Whatsthisthen?.new one to try

Post by NewcastleFalcon » 11 Jul 2018, 18:25

Definitely got our moneysworth out of that little motorised trolley! Excellent work. I also see the Bonser also had a Villiers engine..Wolverhampton's finest! I did expect a "Railway platform trolleys" website/forum/facebook group which would have comprehensive details of such motorised trolleys as used by British Railways...but couldn't find one!

I did look up on the DVLA the number plate on one of Bobins photos which I also came across..put me on to Wrigley, the video and the company based in Poole.

Excellent bit of delving..thanks for the contributions.

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