suspension bushings & exhaust

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Re: suspension bushings & exhaust

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c.morewood wrote:
sparksie wrote: if quality bushings are not available today I'm going to have to order the cheapy ebay one. At least I know whats involved now and having to do it again before next year's test won't kill me.
You may find yourself "doing it" again in a matter of weeks if you buy a cheapie off e bay
or that E bunch!!! :evil: :evil: #-o
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It'll still get me a test cert, so might be worthwhile as a stopgap.
I'm on the trail of some old stock, which may turn up what I need.
Won't know until later on, but keeping fingers crossed! [-o<
I should probably get another NS one as well, ready for when it expires due to my getting it wrong last week.
I succumbed to the simple pleasure of hitting something with a big hammer and failed to keep an eye on the alignment while doing so!
Bummer!!!
Still, I probably know where to lay my hands on some cheap OE quality replacements... :)
It's a pity, given how well designed the whole arm is, Citroen didn't finish the job and use a nut or bolt, or even better a bearing, in this bush.
It smells of the accounts department and is a typical place where the aftermarket would have improved the design, if it was a high volume motor!
Does anyone know where the diagram showing how to align it is?
I did the first one by copying what was alredy there (and nearly got it right #-o ), but I feel that may not be an option with the OS one as there is discernible play in it when I swing out of the wheel. The center has probably separated from the rubber!
Thanks for all the help, as usual.
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Re: suspension bushings & exhaust

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PS: I still haven't gone looking for the joints in the exhaust, but somebody I met yesterday told me the original Citroen ones have no joints and were fitted as a single piece from flex coupling all the way to the back! If thats true, I may be in bother with my plan to run a bead of weld on the leaky seam!
I'll have to cut it off for access and somehow make a butt joint to refit it. I suppose a VW joiner might be the right diameter, but how likely is that? :-D
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Re the P bushes
'I came across an old post, after they had been fitted, which said that the genuine bushes have alignment marks to line them up correctly.'
If this is true, this would solve the quality and alignment problems in one fell swoop. If you go down the genuine parts route it would be great to know if they do have the marks.
Cheers
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Re: suspension bushings & exhaust

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Ref the exhaust - there is a joint at the front of the rear silencer. Pipe is one piece from engine to that location. The clamp is a French sepecial - a bell mouth flare on the pipe with matching swelling on the box. Once you get the clamp off the joint normally comes apart with some banging about. The original clamps are a one bolt spring steel affair, and dead difficult to get off the pipe unless you have the proper pliers. Getting the bolt to release can be a trial too - although 'twisting' the special washer that causes it to jam up reportedly makes them let go.
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Thanks for that. Mine was about 20mm above when finished, I reckon, not 8mm below, so that's going to have a short life!
If there's time and I'm in the workshop doing it, I may take it off and try to reposition it.
There were no suitable drifts available in the cow shed where I did the NS ones, so even though I knew it was slightly off I couldn't do anything about it at the time.
If there's any kind of a joint on the exhaust, I'm sure I'll be able to manage it. Rust is not nearly as big a problem over here, thanks to low salt usage on the roads, so even sliding exhaust joints will usually come apart without significant damage!
I'm frankly astonished at how long cars seem to last in the UK, given the fact you effectively drive in the sea for a couple of months every year!
You must get through a heck of a lot of cleaning products...
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just in case you dont have the OE part No.'s for the P bush's here is price and part No.

Part Number Description Quantity Price excl. VAT Price incl. VAT Total incl. VAT Selection

N/S= left hand side
0000352381 WISHBONE BUSH 30.24 GBP 36.29 GBP 36.29 GBP

O/S= right hand side
0000352382 WISHBONE BUSH 30.24 GBP 36.29 GBP 36.29 GBP

if you havent already you can either do a goooogly search or aim the No./'s at GSF
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Hi Malcolm

Thanks for that.
I wonder what would happen if I went into a Citroen dealer with that info.
Might be fun to try it.
I'm not too far from the border and could plan an outing to Enniskillen, a big town in the North. Theoretically, a Citroen dealer there should be able to match prices with any UK dealer, so if that info is current, then the genuine article is not much dearer than the cheapest ebay offering!
I've been promised I'll have a bushing, from a factors that closed some time ago, brand unknown yet, this time tomorrow.
Let's see how that goes, before I do anything more about it...
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or you could just purchase the likes of

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:rofl2:

Rub it in, won't you, Malcolm?
I have ebay set to filter out used stuff, so I never saw that!
Oh well, it's done now and I'm not paying £24.75 for delivery of something I'm only going to use as a guide now!
Of course, when I see what arrives tomorrow, I may change my mind :roll:
Don't worry, my time will come :twisted:
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Sporty bud I had not noticed it was S/H :wink: o
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No sweat.
If I'd seen that on Monday morning, it would be winging its way to me now, S/H or not!
Lesson for the future, I think.
Always check the filter settings when looking for anything hard to find.
I rarely ever buy used stuff without holding it in my hand first, so all my car parts searches are set to NEW, by default!
Who's a silly billie?
I thought you were pointing it out to make sure I recognised myself!
Over here that would be par for the course. I'm used to being the butt of the jokes, especially since going out to buy a workshop hack and coming back with a labour of love, one that I'm renowned for advising against at every opportunity.
Still, she's paying me back in non tangible ways.
I really enjoyed my back to basics day with the cows for company and only relatively basic tools. My only concession to professional tooling was the hydraulic puller, without which I'd probably still be there beating it with a hammer trying to shock the ball joint loose. Everything else was just what Mr Average handyman might have in the shed and I'd never have done it without my Cit!
I'm also quite enjoying having a personal car that actually drives! Nobody else dares to drive it, since the only time anybody ever did she came back courtesy of the AA!
We've come to an understanding, me and Cit (we're pronouncing that "Kit", among ourselves!) and there's a level of confidence I never thought I'd feel, in her ability to do what she's supposed to do! I even go places without a tool box, sometimes!!!
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sparksie wrote: Who's a silly billie?
no no not at all, i personally would not purchase this type of item without handling it first,
sparksie wrote: We've come to an understanding, me and Cit (we're pronouncing that "Kit", among ourselves!) and there's a level of confidence I never thought I'd feel, in her ability to do what she's supposed to do! I even go places without a tool box, sometimes!!!
its the green blood you've either got it or you aint #-o :-D :wink:
Regards, malcolm.

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Re: suspension bushings & exhaust

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F++?*$%$&!!!!!
Just changed the bushings on the OS arm and when the P was half way on I stopped and checked it was straight!
Having confirmed all ok, I proceeded and drove it fully home.
Now the bl@@dy thing's nearly 15 deg out, leaving the arm hanging inche below where it should.
Have to go in and try to remove it and refit it!
That's what I get for doing it in the sunshine at home, in shorts and t-shrt!
Grrrrrrrr!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:
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