FakeConcern's C4 VTS

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Re: FakeConcern's C4 VTS

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I like the diagonal 'Citroen' sticker in the second picture :)

Tailpipe looks good and stylish too...

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Re: FakeConcern's C4 VTS

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A bit of a strange question for all the Citroen experts and one for Davie!

One peculiar thing I've noticed is that when revving LEZ through the gears, it hits the limiter BEFORE the rev counter goes red which takes away some of the fun as I don't want to drive it bouncing off the limiter but seeing the rev counter go red gives me a stupid amount of fun. My old one went red with just enough warning for me to change up before hitting the limiter (most of the time!).

So two questions, the first to Davie, did it always do this?

The second to everyone else, can this be changed and is it likely the rev counter itself or can it be changed in Lexia?

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I can answer it always needed to bounce the limiter to make it red as far as I remember. Even in 5th! :lol:

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Yes. mine would also go into the red before the limiter kicked in, even in 5th!

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Michel wrote:
17 Oct 2017, 05:38
Yes. mine would also go into the red before the limiter kicked in, even in 5th!

Yes that's what my old one did, this one hits the limiter Before the tacho goes red! I'd like to change it, but don't know how/if it's possible!
daviemck2006 wrote:
17 Oct 2017, 00:58
I can answer it always needed to bounce the limiter to make it red as far as I remember. Even in 5th! :lol:


Thanks, now I know it was always like that!

I have the tacho from a VTS HDI and I know they only rev to about 4K whereas the 180 revs to 7.5K. I wonder if it still works with my car though as I believe each tacho has all the possible variations ready built in such as the PRND123 so I may try plugging it in when I get a chance.

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The (new) VTS is looking very smart indeed Peter and I am particularly impressed by the Jayar exhaust trim. It looks pretty much perfect and fits the VTS cut out excellently from the photos, I need to get something similar to that at some point as the VTS By Loeb appears to have had a non-VTS replacement in it's lifetime and it just doesn't look 'right'...

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Citroening wrote:
17 Oct 2017, 19:40
The (new) VTS is looking very smart indeed Peter and I am particularly impressed by the Jayar exhaust trim. It looks pretty much perfect and fits the VTS cut out excellently from the photos, I need to get something similar to that at some point as the VTS By Loeb appears to have had a non-VTS replacement in it's lifetime and it just doesn't look 'right'...

Thank you Franklin. How about some pictures of the C4s?

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Fake Concern wrote:
17 Oct 2017, 20:46
How about some pictures of the C4s?

Both are currently tucked away at the moment Peter, but when they come out I shall try and remember, I am looking forwards to getting my teeth stuck into them. :)

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Well when I first got LEZ and tried it out properly I always thought it was down on power compared to my old one. I put some decent petrol in it and some Redex to give it a clear out and it seemed a bit better. However today I filmed it going from 0-60 and compared it to a film of the old car doing the same thing. Two things are very different. The old car flashes the ESP/traction light almost continuously (I also did it with ESP switched off, but lost loads of time in wheelspin) whereas LES doesn't put it on once. The old car is over 2 seconds quicker to 60MPH.
What could be wrong? I changed the oil and filters as well as plugs, it runs as smooth as you could wish, it just hasn't got any oomph! I noticed this yesterday on the A23 with cruise control set at 77MPH it couldn't keep at that speed up one of the hills and I know the old one had no trouble at all.

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Sounds interesting Peter... When reading up on the VTS and what maintenance I was going to carry out on mine I remember coming across a posting on a Peugeot 206 GTi 180 forum which said that the VVT Solenoid can be common point for making the 180 engine feel a bit sluggish. Potential remedy is the careful removal and cleaning with something akin to carb cleaner etc - replacement part isn't cheap so they say. Might be something to look into... As you know, the VTS 180s are rather bomb proof so doubt it's anything serious as that would be rather rare...

What exhaust has LEZ got fitted out of interest?

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Interesting you should say that as I'd already looked at that on C4Owners, but wasn't convinced that was it, however Thomas Warren Remember Wozza?) on another forum has suggested the same thing. He also said try cleaning or even unplugging it to see if there is a difference.
LEZ has a standard exhaust, it sounds pretty good when you give it some but pretty quiet when cruising.

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It’s mot a car I would have said sluggish about when I owned her, or thought sluggish when I last drove her. Hope you get to the bottom of it Peter

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VVT Solenoid has god to be a good candidate... Interested to know how this resolves as my 207 has a similar setup for its VVT...

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daviemck2006 wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 02:33
It’s mot a car I would have said sluggish about when I owned her, or thought sluggish when I last drove her. Hope you get to the bottom of it Peter


Having read about this again one of the things when the solenoid is failing is it works some of the time which is why sometimes I think it's fine other time nowhere near as good as my old one. Just not sure when I'll have a chance to look at it as currently I'm fitting a new central heating boiler, moving it from the kitchen to the spare room meaning doing a whole load of extra work (decorate, build cupboard etc) and resulting in the whole house being in chaos!

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Well today I had time to try the car with VVT solenoid unplugged and guess what?
It drove almost the same!
So I've ordered a new solenoid.
I did a video of it, but I can't see how to upload a video on here, do I need to put it on Youtube first?