Davie's french attraction.

Unread post by **daviemck2006** » 01 Mar 2015, 05:46

I will have to wait and see what it's like. First thing will be rip the head off for a look. I've seen several heads for sale at only 30 to 40 pounds, apparently the 1.6 and 1.9 16v heads are the exact same. I also have seen a complete 1.6 engine and gearbox with a clutch that had only a few thousand miles on it for £150. 205 parts seem quite readily available. I would rather keep it standard, but I think Shaun would want to go more power. He has more money in the car than I have so I expect he will get the final say.

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Unread post by **CitroJim** » 01 Mar 2015, 06:06

Yes, 1.6 and 1.9 heads are exactly the same Davie

A nice, easy job to swap them too...

Fake Concern · Unread post by **Fake Concern** » 01 Mar 2015, 10:16

Really sorry to hear this Davie, sounds like it may not be too hard to fix, but would be better to have not happened. Try to curb Shaun's enthusiasm a bit or you might get another insurance shock!

Unread post by **daviemck2006** » 02 Mar 2015, 17:22

That's the 107 serviced and MOT today at the main peugeot dealer it was bought at. 2 advisories, both front tyres on 3 mm. Would you like us to fit tyres at 49 pounds each? No. The budgets that they put on when shaun bought the car have done 9000 miles only so no more of them. Anyway the Falkens that went on the back recently cost 66 for the two and a beer token for fitting. Cost was £160 for mot and service, which was little more than an oil change. It only got it to keep the book stamped by a pug dealer for the extended warranty which starts tomorrow.
The 205 is at my son in laws house at Elgin. It is not investigated yet, but they are speaking about a mot fail 206 gti 180 to get the engine box and wiring loom and the rear hubs for disc brakes. I'm going to leave them to it. That will be tha same drive train that my c4 vts had so will make a 205 a flyer. I'd rather fix what is there, if there is knackered valves I know of a head for 20 notes, if the engine is knackered I know of a complete engine/box with recent clutch for 150. If he goes for a 2.0 then he is on his own with it. He gan give me my money back.

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Unread post by **CitroJim** » 02 Mar 2015, 17:48

That's money for old rope charging that to service a 107 Davie

I wonder what they did after the first ten minutes?

The 107 is such an easy little thing to service...

Interesting on the 205 plans.... Is that a recognised and proven conversion now?

bxzx16v · Unread post by **bxzx16v** » 02 Mar 2015, 17:57

It makes a change a Pug getting puggerized as opposed to a Citroen Bx16v or activa, I couldn't even understand the Pug 405mi16 getting ripped apart for its engine as they were fantastic cars. Good luck with the 205 Davie.

Mark

Unread post by **Northern_Mike** » 02 Mar 2015, 17:57

CitroJim wrote:That's money for old rope charging that to service a 107 Davie I wonder what they did after the first ten minutes?

When I trained and worked at a main Citroen dealer in the late 80s, "drink tea and smoke" would be the answer to that Jim..

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Unread post by **CitroJim** » 02 Mar 2015, 17:59

^^^

Many a true word spoken in jest Mike

Unread post by **Northern_Mike** » 02 Mar 2015, 18:05

That's not jest. That's what we did! How long did it take to service a BX 17RD on a lift? 15 mins? 20 if you did a full brake check..

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Unread post by **daviemck2006** » 02 Mar 2015, 18:05

I have no idea if it is a recognised conversion Jim. I think a xsara vts or 306 2.0 is which is basically the same engine I think. I think his thinking would be that a 2.0 from a 206 wouldn't be too heavy to upset the handling. Initially the pug garage wanted £268 for a service and mot[emoji15] I politely refused. Then when they would do it for £160 I asked what the difference was. The expensive one uses peugeot parts, cheaper one doesn't. So over £100 for oil and a filter!!!!!! I would be willing to bet the oil came out of the same 25 gallon drum and the filter came off the same shelf. Just a main dealer rip off for folk that don't question the cost of servicing.

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Unread post by **CitroJim** » 02 Mar 2015, 18:24

Gosh Davie... Genuine oil filter £4 on the 'bay and genuine Total Synthetic 5W/30 oil £25 on the 'bay and that's good for nearly two changes.. Sump holds just 3 litres or very conveniently for me with my old imperial oil jug, 2 quarts...

I'd not imagine a modern iron engine like in the Xsara VTS will weigh much more than the original 205 XU5/9 even though they are all ally... The crank and liners in those weigh an absolute ton!

Knowing a BX I can well believe that in the hands of good workers and a ramp Mike. It's all the grovelling around at floor level that takes the time...

Unread post by **daviemck2006** » 03 Mar 2015, 20:07

GTI news. The engine is toast. All 8 valves bent, one piston cracked. Now going to be on the lookout for a replacement engine. Do not know exactly what yet. I say whatever is simplest which obviously would be another 1.6 GTI engine. However a 106 GTI or saxo VTS are apparently a common upgrade.

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Unread post by **CitroJim** » 03 Mar 2015, 20:27

That's had it Davie

Just to get it back on it's wheels it might be a good idea just to pop another XU5 in there and plan an upgrade/engine change in slower time..

Take it from me, there's an awful lot of devil in the detail of doing an engine swap..

Unread post by **daviemck2006** » 08 Mar 2015, 20:38

Still no engine or donor car bought. I nearly bid for a G-reg pug 405 1.9 petrol estate at the end of its mot. It went for £122 earlier today. There were two reasons that I didn't, it looked far too good to break, and was too far away being out at Ramsgate. Had I gone and got it I believe I would have fallen for it and got it moted and used it and still be looking for an engine. It would have been a simple job whacking it into the 205 though. I didn't know the 405 used the 1905 cc petrol engine. One might turn up closer to home. Shaun is looking for a saxo vts for a donor. They are a common upgrade into the 205. There is no real hurry.

My van is in yet another garage I am trying to fit the new injector seals. Shouldn't cost me as it will be covered by my breakdown insurance. The guy said it's the worst he has seen and will need a lot of cleaning up. It's a privately owned garage in a village 15 miles from me, he takes time to speak to you and gets most of his work by word of mouth and says he has a few happy customers from my town. Here's hoping that I have found a good one this time.

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Unread post by **CitroJim** » 09 Mar 2015, 06:14

Always be careful with a 405 Davie, they're still exceptionally good cars and easy to fall in love with...

205 and 405 I say were the best cars Pug ever made.. The 306 comes very close to that accolade too..

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