C5 2.2 Hdi - DPF removal

[addo]

As we're on our third day of temperatures exceeding 30°C, my underarm could deliver a knockout blow in just about any contest.

[osx]

Not trying to be a smart ar*se but it is illegal to run a de-FAP'd car on the road - and passing the MoT Test's smoke opacity does not mean that the emissions are legal.

You should also inform your insurance company - some providers will refuse to even cover the car come renewal time though.

I await an onslaught of replies but i have been researching this matter for work for the past 5 weeks and have concluded that my C5 facelift will retain its FAP...

R

Emissions will be legal in the same way they are legal in the same non-dpf version of the same car.

[Stickyfinger]

Not trying to be a smart ar*se but it is illegal to run a de-FAP'd car on the road - and passing the MoT Test's smoke opacity does not mean that the emissions are legal.

You should also inform your insurance company - some providers will refuse to even cover the car come renewal time though.

I await an onslaught of replies but i have been researching this matter for work for the past 5 weeks and have concluded that my C5 facelift will retain its FAP...

R

Emissions will be legal in the same way they are legal in the same non-dpf version of the same car.

Its not a question of IF the car is legal to drive or not, it is a question of "Informing the Insurance Company" and the effect on the "Road Fund License" levels that is the concern.

[osx]

Do you inform the insurance company when you change your tyres with better ones or cheap ones (ie not the same quality as the ones supplied by the manufacturer?). Why would it have an effect on the RFL when the same car is sold without a FAP?

[Northern_Mike]

Why would it have an effect on the RFL when the same car is sold without a FAP?

It wouldn't as no one in their right mind would actually tell the DVLA they've actually removed their FAP and ask for their car to be reclassified...

As for insurance, yes, strictly you should tell them it's been remapped. They can't tell though, and won't look unless given suspicion to do so in a crash. As I understand it, the FAP hardware stays in place, it's just mapped out of the system, so there are no visible mods.

[addo]

Indeed, and a lot of the hysteria about claims being denied is utter rubbish; it's always three degrees apocryphal, the outcome of extremely provocative conduct on the part of the insured (eg, there being a prosecution underway in parallel to the claim) or plain old "Chicken Little" territory. Augmenting everpresent social hysteria is not necessary.

One thing I've found here from reading the fine print, is that although you are generally required to make your car available for inspection at any time by a contracted insurer (with reasonable notice), there is no restriction on you remaining constantly with the vehicle or having representation to hand. That gives more power than many people imagined they had in the event of a claim.

[osx]

and won't look unless given suspicion to do so in a crash.

Why on earth would they want to check if the DPF has been mapped out in an event of a crash. It would be much easier to say that tyres for example were not the same as the ones recommended by the manufacturer.

[addo]

Exactly. Assessors are shallow people from my experiences.

[miked]

Not trying to be a smart ar*se but it is illegal to run a de-FAP'd car on the road

I've heard that before. Not wanting to take this off topic too much but if you have looked into this can you tell me why is it illegal, or give me a link to an official explanation? I was once told it was because the VED (tax) was reduced if you have a DPF but It can't be as the tax on my car, and the wife's is based on CO2 emissions. My wife's big heavy car (807/C8) has the same engine (HDi 110) as my small light car (Xsara). Her car has a DPF but her tax is nearly twice as much as mine.

Or have the rules for newer cars changed and you do now get a discount on the duty if you have a particulate filter? If so why don't older cars with expensive to maintain but still functioning DPF's get a discount?

EDIT: Didn't edit anything. Reason: To just say oops, there's a 2nd page which I never saw.

[myglaren]

Is VED not based on the theoretical emissions for the engine in whatever setting it is used and that the DPF is supposed to reduce emissions compared to a non-DPF engine in the same setting.

[Northern_Mike]

Is VED not based on the theoretical emissions for the engine in whatever setting it is used and that the DPF is supposed to reduce emissions compared to a non-DPF engine in the same setting.

Yes, it is. However the usual trick is to leave everything complete and installed and map it out. Can't tell without actually reading the software.

[osx]

Is VED not based on the theoretical emissions for the engine in whatever setting it is used and that the DPF is supposed to reduce emissions compared to a non-DPF engine in the same setting.

You will have exactly the same emissions if you "transform" you DPF car to the non-DPF version by removing the DPF and remapping the ECU.

[Northern_Mike]

Is VED not based on the theoretical emissions for the engine in whatever setting it is used and that the DPF is supposed to reduce emissions compared to a non-DPF engine in the same setting.

You will have exactly the same emissions if you "transform" you DPF car to the non-DPF version by removing the DPF and remapping the ECU.

You will, but when the MOT tester sees it missing, it'll fail. So, you leave it all in place, just mapped out of the ECU..

[Stickyfinger]

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[philthyD]

Lol and finally the answer! well it'l do for me anyway