Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by DickieG » 09 Jan 2013, 21:56

Citroenmad wrote:I'm thinking along the lines of, unplug the keypad and your away ... :roll:
That involves effort Chris so no! :lol:

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by davoxx » 09 Jan 2013, 22:12

VertVega wrote:The question of this topic sounds like Phishing. Sorry I might be wrong but a new member with the first question to the forum ... :roll:
Doh! socially engineered question to pull information out of experts to be used for evil!!

Should ask what was the reg number and colour of stolen xantia as we will keep our eyes peeled for it!!

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by Xaccers » 09 Jan 2013, 22:28

Citroenmad wrote:I'm thinking along the lines of, unplug the keypad and your away ... :roll:

Hopefully not!
No. If you start a keypad diesel and then remove the keypad it disables the immobiliser, or rather stops it being re-enabled.
Other than the very early keypad ones, the immobiliser is armoured so to bypass it you have to de-armour it which is not something easily done with it still attached to the car.

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by Northern_Mike » 09 Jan 2013, 23:01

Xac wrote:
Citroenmad wrote:I'm thinking along the lines of, unplug the keypad and your away ... :roll:

Hopefully not!
No. If you start a keypad diesel and then remove the keypad it disables the immobiliser, or rather stops it being re-enabled.
Other than the very early keypad ones, the immobiliser is armoured so to bypass it you have to de-armour it which is not something easily done with it still attached to the car.
I imagine DickieG knows a far easier, quicker way, going off the contents of his post "The keypad is useless and can be bypassed without any tools"... I'd be intrigued to know how - not that I've any intention of nicking a TD. I'd go and work it out myself I still had RUNN.

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by Rhothgar » 09 Jan 2013, 23:19

VertVega wrote:The question of this topic sounds like Phishing. Sorry I might be wrong but a new member with the first question to the forum ... :roll:
You make a good point here.

Thread should be locked and account blocked. Strange how they haven't entered into active communication.

If I wanted to know how to disable my Harley alarm, you try and find this information openly in Internet. You will not find it.

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by Hell Razor5543 » 09 Jan 2013, 23:26

I agree with the caution, but before we block the account, shouldn't we check his story. It could be somebody on a phishing trip, it could just as easily be somebody asking for help. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Is it worth an admin member contacting the OP?

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by Xaccers » 09 Jan 2013, 23:52

Don't forget we as admins get to see a lot more information about users than you mere mortals do.
No one has given any information away that would help some mad fool steal a car, nor are they likely to.

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by Stekelly » 10 Jan 2013, 01:32

Deanxm wrote:Scrap metal thefts should dry up now, payments at scrap merchants are no longer made in cash, bank details must be taken and the payment sent by cheque so it should cut down on the problem.

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In fairness, there seems to be no shortage of dodgy scrap metal merchants. The fact that people steal manhole covers must mean that someone is buying them. It's hard to buy a bunch of manhole covers off some lad in a van while maintaining your innocence and claiming to run a business all above board :)

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Post by addo » 10 Jan 2013, 03:27

Rhothgar wrote:If I wanted to know how to disable my Harley alarm, you try and find this information openly in Internet. You will not find it.
I was told the way years ago; staggeringly simple! :shock:

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by 411514 » 10 Jan 2013, 09:16

Ruling out the previous owner who may have kept the spare key and, if unchanged would know the code, does sound suspicious.

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Post by addo » 10 Jan 2013, 09:32

The neighbour had it lifted.

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by Rhothgar » 10 Jan 2013, 11:59

Hell Razor5543 wrote:I agree with the caution, but before we block the account, shouldn't we check his story. It could be somebody on a phishing trip, it could just as easily be somebody asking for help. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

Is it worth an admin member contacting the OP?
Benefit of the doubt doesn't really come into this at all. The car's gone! Wanting to know how they could have achieved this is academic and useless to the OP unless they have a future need for this information.

How would any of us feel if our beloved 'worthless' cars went missing? Worthless here but probably 10x times the price in Nigeria. BEWARE!

The only way of verifying this information is to get a Crime Number from the Po-Lice. DickieG should be able to advise on this.

It's rare I leave anything in my Xantia overnight as most of our stock goes straight to the unit but, for instance, I am about to drive to our warehouse with £10,000+ of Apple TV's in the boot. What would happen if I decided to stop off somewhere to do an errand and came back to find my car not there.

I know one trader that buys from the same auction houses as us who was followed home and they lay in wait and cleared his van out of £6000+ of goods. Ultimately, his own fault for not having secure storage like us but sometimes if we come back from the London auctions and drop in at Jim's for a cuppa. It's past our storage centres closing time and if we are totally worn out. The stock can sit in our car overnight.

I'd hate to think someone would go around on an opportunity readily equipped to take anyone's car let alone mine.

What happens if someone is after a pristine V6?

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Post by Rhothgar » 10 Jan 2013, 12:10

addo wrote:
Rhothgar wrote:If I wanted to know how to disable my Harley alarm, you try and find this information openly in Internet. You will not find it.
I was told the way years ago; staggeringly simple! :shock:
It just needs two Hell's Angels to lift it at 320kg!!!!

Depends on which model, the ones with immobilisers I would imagine are pretty difficult but maybe not.

Anyway, I don't need to know!

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by 411514 » 10 Jan 2013, 13:18

Sounds a little like an insurance scam. I can't imagine it was stolen to order to export sort of thing given its value
and the cost of doing so. Neither stolen for the 'valuable contents' as a smashed window and a laptop under the arm
is far easier than trying to steal the car complete. Must have a hawk for a neighbour if they can hear and recognise
the sound of the engine, Sam

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Re: Xantia stolen - how did they bypass immobiliser?

Post by Xaccers » 10 Jan 2013, 13:20

411514 wrote:Sounds a little like an insurance scam. I can't imagine it was stolen to order to export sort of thing given its value
and the cost of doing so. Neither stolen for the 'valuable contents' as a smashed window and a laptop under the arm
is far easier than trying to steal the car complete. Must have a hawk for a neighbour if they can hear and recognise
the sound of the engine, Sam
Well the 1.9TD sound is quite distinctive.