Xantia V6 broken exhaust (update: and rough low rpm running)

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Re: Xantia V6 broken exhaust (update: and rough low rpm runn

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Thanks Chris, that does sound encouraging re the gearbox and general performance of the car. :)

If I were to try to strip the air con compressor off this one before scrapping do I need to take special precautions to de-pressurise it, or just unscrew a pipe with safety goggles on and jump out of the way ? :lol: I assume it would be wise to strip and save the engine bay air con piping and drier bottle as well ?

I'm assuming that I'd need to get an air conditioning specialist to fit it to the other car though since it will need flushing and re-pressurising ? (Assuming testing showed that's where the leak is of course...)

After two years of flawlessly working air conditioning I'd be loathe to go back to none...
Simon

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1997 Xantia S1 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive in Silex Grey
2011 Peugeot Ion Full Electric in Silver
1998 Xantia S2 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive
1997 Xantia S1 2.0i Auto VSX
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Mandrake wrote:I know a way to route a new run of wire from the under bonnet fuse box into the cabin of the car where it could be patched into the interior fuse box on a temporary basis. Would probably take all of half an hour with a few tools and some wire, so I would attempt it before driving the car home as it would (hopefully) give me a working fan!


Do tell...I was thinking of getting some decent spec cable and doing something similar, but to be honest I haven't even opened the BoL or installed the Sedre discs that Hellraising James has given me yet to look at the best way to run it. The route round the perimeter of the car is, in my mind, frankly bizarre. Could save you half an hours work, or save me taking the bumper off if I end up keeping it :-)

It's actually ok with no fan as long as you're moving above 40mph, throughput is ok. A long motorway journey wouldn't be a problem. If you end up being interested, I'd suggest I took it to an "independent inspector" who can go over it and tell you exactly what they reckon is wrong with it..
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northern_mike wrote:I think mine is 16 years old now and probably in much the same nick as Mr.Loopy's but in different areas. The body is decent enough, it's got a broken dog light, but as the bumper would have to come off to sort the electrics and AC.... not much of an issue. It's neither a glamourpuss or a minger. Are any of them? Most are going to be 16 years old or more now.
I think you and superloopy are both overestimating the condition of my car, (engine/gearbox excluded) Richard has seen it recently and can probably attest that it is getting decidedly tatty on the outside and it was never a glamourpuss to start with in the time I've had it. I'm not snobby (otherwise I wouldn't have driven it for two years with a huge gouge on the bonnet) and am more concerned with the mechanical/rust condition and how well it drives.

The pictures of the paint/body work on yours look far better than mine. I can't speak for superloopy's of course as he hasn't posted any photos, but it's probably no worse than what I'm used to.

I've looked at the pictures under the back of your car where Malcolm was repairing the hydraulic line and the rust and condition of the piping is no worse than mine, in fact it looks a little better if anything.

Don't forget this one is a few months shy of 16 years old too ;)
The interior, apart from the usual slight wear on the drivers seat bolster (not split) is pretty good, complete and no bits missing.

It needs new tyres on the front as it has winters on and they're not the best solution!
New tyres is not a problem - I have two Michelin energies with over half their new tread left, and our cars have the same style alloys (all mine are scrape free) - so 10 minutes work to swap them between cars.
Caveat emptor and all that but like SL I'm a bit wary of selling you what might be a nightmare..
I can appreciate that, but there is always a risk with a S/H car that it turns out to be a lemon, in hindsight this one certainly was. Maybe I'll get another lemon, or maybe it could turn out to be a pretty good car.
Oh, it needs work to swap the door lock barrels too... I only had one key so in the hope of getting two working and solving the leccy issue all at once, I bought David's ECU and lock set. ECU, CPH and ignition lock swapped but I haven't done the door handles yet :O, So it has two remote plip keys which work but locking with the key still needs the old key. As I rarely lock it I forgot about it buy I suppose I should get them done!
Not a problem - all my lock barrels work fine and I have a remote fob and a standard spare key, and I know the programming code for my ECU's - so worst case I swap my engine ECU and CPH into the car, swap the locks, reprogram my keys on the Lexia, job done. Maybe a couple of hours work.
I'll take some pictures and a video of it and see if I can take it for a run with someone holding the camera so you can hear it go and change gear and whatever. I'd still not expect you to go for it, but you can laugh at it if you like.

It goes like stink though. I believe it will still reach its maximum book speed. I've had a genuine 32mpg out of it this week too, including a couple of high speed trips in early morning and getting stuck in the Ascot traffic for ages.
By all means take some photos and video, I'd like to see it running - its a long time since I've seen a V6 running properly, I've almost forgotten what it's like! :lol:

I am giving it some serious consideration Mike, as crazy as it might sound. The question is are you serious about selling it, or will you change your mind... ;)
Simon

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1997 Xantia S1 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive in Silex Grey
2011 Peugeot Ion Full Electric in Silver
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northern_mike wrote:
Mandrake wrote:I know a way to route a new run of wire from the under bonnet fuse box into the cabin of the car where it could be patched into the interior fuse box on a temporary basis. Would probably take all of half an hour with a few tools and some wire, so I would attempt it before driving the car home as it would (hopefully) give me a working fan!


Do tell...I was thinking of getting some decent spec cable and doing something similar, but to be honest I haven't even opened the BoL or installed the Sedre discs that Hellraising James has given me yet to look at the best way to run it. The route round the perimeter of the car is, in my mind, frankly bizarre. Could save you half an hours work, or save me taking the bumper off if I end up keeping it :-)
My route would be decidedly temporary until a proper repair could be made. :twisted: In the fuse box behind the battery there are two studs with nuts on them connected to the white wire that goes straight to battery positive - one of the studs is empty and unused but still has a nut. This is the same stud I connected to to get a power feed for the starter helper relay mod.

I would run a wire from here using an eye terminal, out of the fuse box, through an in-line fuse, around behind the LHM tank, then either clipped along under the lip of the chassis under the scuttle, or looped through the rear engine crane lift hooks, to the drivers side bonnet hinge.

There is a small hole in the chassis about 6mm near the hinge that a wire can go through, I would then loop the wire down through the wire clip on the connector which hides near the hinge (this keeps the wire pulled away from fouling in the bonnet hinge) and then bring the wire around and then through across the rubber door seal. Once you're inside its just a matter of going into the back of the fuse panel.

I use this wire route along the back of the engine lift points, through the hole by the hinge and into the cabin for my test leads for monitor O2 sensor etc... ;)
It's actually ok with no fan as long as you're moving above 40mph, throughput is ok. A long motorway journey wouldn't be a problem.
Fair enough. I just remember when the fan failed on my S1 Xantia (actually the ignition key issue) in the middle of summer and it was unbearable - but I keep forgetting summers over here aren't nearly as hot as those in NZ. :lol:
If you end up being interested, I'd suggest I took it to an "independent inspector" who can go over it and tell you exactly what they reckon is wrong with it..
That's actually pretty good of you, if you're willing to do that...
Simon

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2011 Peugeot Ion Full Electric in Silver
1998 Xantia S2 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive
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I have the locks and keys Simon that David sent me with the ECUS - full handles in fact. It's just the door bits that need swapping. I haven't got round to it because I never bother locking my car. It's either on the drive in Twyford or in the car park by the office doors.

It's not so crazy or so far. I've been further myself and bought worse things. I bought a £67 Saab 900T16 from near Cupar once and drove it back here. I'll take a video and some pictures tomorrow afternoon when I wake up.

My wife would prefer I sold it ;-) I like it, but my interest in fiddling with cars and keeping them running has waned a lot over the last couple of years, and I have that three-wheeler thing for tinkering and getting kicks from. Most of the time I just want to potter around in something that all works and doesn't need me to pray or sacrifice 30 virgins to get me home from work. (why then, do you drive Citroens, I hear you ask?)
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northern_mike wrote:Most of the time I just want to potter around in something that all works and doesn't need me to pray or sacrifice 30 virgins to get me home from work. (why then, do you drive Citroëns, I hear you ask?)
Because you secretly love their quirkiness! :lol: :lol:
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Hell Razor5543 wrote:
northern_mike wrote:Most of the time I just want to potter around in something that all works and doesn't need me to pray or sacrifice 30 virgins to get me home from work. (why then, do you drive Citroëns, I hear you ask?)
Because you secretly love their quirkiness! :lol: :lol:
I don't deny that at all. I just wish they'd bloody work!
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^^^ Snap ^^^
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superloopy wrote:Simon ... here are some pics of my car from the last attempted sale. Better or worse than yours? Remember the camera ALWAYS lies! I still think you're looking for a car which really can only exist after you've fettled her yet again :wink:
That's nicer than mine. It'd be an easy choice if it were me buying.

I do agree on the fettling part too. I think with the youngest V6s being at least 14 years old now, finding one that needs no fettling isn't going to happen. Yours, with a low miles gearbox, whatever else is wrong with it, should be a no-brainer for Simon. A bonnet respray and getting someone like Vince to detail it and clean it up properly (though it looks great anyway) would have it looking top-notch. My silex grey S1 looked stunning when it was clean.
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You guys are hilarious, both of your cars look FAR tidier than mine. :lol: Maybe the camera lies, maybe not.

I don't expect a 16 year old car to look like new or for everything to work without fettling. But there are some things that can be fixed and fettled, and some things that can't. I draw the line at gearboxes that are about to die and engines that just cannot be made to run properly for love or money... ;)
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1998 Xantia S2 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive
1997 Xantia S1 2.0i Auto VSX
1978 CX 2400
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Mandrake wrote:You guys are hilarious, both of your cars look FAR tidier than mine. :lol: Maybe the camera lies, maybe not.

I don't expect a 16 year old car to look like new or for everything to work without fettling. But there are some things that can be fixed and fettled, and some things that can't. I draw the line at gearboxes that areabout to die and engines that just cannot be made to run properly for love or money... ;)
Your next project is clearly to sell your car to KP, then get the gearbox back and rebuild it so you have a spare :)
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By oil leaks from the rear cam bank I mean that the rear camshaft box can leak oil from the upper or lower seal, which dribbles down and fills the spark plug wells with oil, which will cause misfiring.

Fixing it properly if its the bottom seal leaking means removing the upper inlet manifold, cam box and camshaft which is a fairly big (but not impossible) job to fix properly. At this age most of them leak at least a small amount, mine leaked a bit and once a year I had take the upper manifold off and soak up the oil building up in the spark plug wells before it could reach the top of the spark plug tubes.

A big leak there is a major issue.
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2011 Peugeot Ion Full Electric in Silver
1998 Xantia S2 3.0 V6 Auto Exclusive
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superloopy wrote:
northern_mike wrote: No point dragging Simon all this way for nothing. After all i'm positive my engine will not live up to his utmost highest standards. 'Oil in rear cam bank' ... what does that mean? You see ... maintenance can only have been negligible in my ownership if I don't even understand the technical terminology :wink:
This is pretty much my view, though I haven't seen an extended list of demands, only the one on the "Wanted" page..
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superloopy wrote:
Aaw schucks :oops: now you've got me thinking I could possibly sell it in that condition. As i say, the camera definitely does lie in this case. She's a 'banger' of the top most order. No point dragging Simon all this way for nothing. After all i'm positive my engine will not live up to his utmost highest standards. 'Oil in rear cam bank' ... what does that mean? You see ... maintenance can only have been negligible in my ownership if I don't even understand the technical terminology :wink:
I think it's a nicer colour than mine, the interior looks in better nick, though I probably just need to feed mine, it's got a lot lower mileage, it's a lot nearer to Simon and it's had a replacement box of known origin.

Negligible maintenance? Perhaps not. Perhaps it's just never broken down so you've not had to look...

What's not to like? Silex Grey looks nothing like silver either :) :roll:
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P.S. I'm not trying to do myself out of a sale in the rare event Simon is interested in my car. I honestly think SL's is a better bet. I'd love for mine to go to someone who will sort it out but perhaps Simon needs a break from tinkering with Xantias. I believe Mike SL's actually works!

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