My XM V6 ES9

Tell us your ongoing tales and experiences with your French car here. Post pictures of your car here as well.

Moderators: RichardW, myglaren

lexi
Donor 2020
Posts: 2821
Joined: 17 Apr 2008, 17:51
x 119

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives!!!

Post by lexi »

Congrats on breathing life into the beast. All the more so with working outside in what has been winter. =D>

User avatar
Chris570
Donor 2020
Posts: 1483
Joined: 12 Dec 2009, 15:10
x 5

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by Chris570 »

I took last friday off to get some proper work done on the XM, my plan was to get her moving under her own steam...

To make this happen meant the following had to happen
-Remove hubs
-Change swivel joints
-Replace track rod ends
-Replace Droplinks
The XM (Now named as the blue whale by Jess) had other ideas....

The track rod end on the n/s had seized up a treat so only some VERY careful angle grinding could free her off. Upon undoing the caliper to hub bolts it took a solid 5 mins of hammering to get the caliper off the disc (leaving the friction material intact) the o/s took 20 mins and a prybar.

Then the swivel joints themselves wouldnt undo with a 5ft extention bar, Liam (Hydrocobra) popped round and between us we managed to get one off with me pushing the bar onto the hub and him practically jumping on it. It was tight all the way off!! Here's a pic to show you the amount of force...
Image

Then came the turn of the second hub....
This happened....
Image

In so doing it chewed up the swivel joint so badly a tool could no longer be used. Cue massive swearing.

Now you may have noticed in the first pic that the brake disc was still attached. It was, but not by means of retaining screws, oh no. This is the XM remember (soon becoming a swear word). After a good 10 mins with a lump hammer I could not (nor Liam) get the discs off the hubs. So I popped round to see Mr Jim to borrow his press. Between 5-6 Tonnes of pressure was needed to shift them, needless to say we were both in shock over this. We also discovered that at least one of the wheel bearings is sh*gged, possibly down to the lump hammer. So that was game over for the dream of having her back on her wheels this weekend.

I also found that the N/S abs sensor is actually dead so needs replacement so if anyone knows where to find one cheap please let me know :)

Despite everything I am NOT letting the XM win, she will run again like it or not.

/rant

User avatar
CitroJim
A very naughty boy
Posts: 44009
Joined: 30 Apr 2005, 23:33
x 1779

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by CitroJim »

Good work Chris :-D It shocked me how much force those discs needed to cone free. Good old Scottish corrosion :lol:

That wheel bearing was already knackered. No amount of what you or I did that. Pop round and I'll press 'em out for you although gawd knows what fun that'll be :twisted:

Still, she's coming on nice :-D

User avatar
Chris570
Donor 2020
Posts: 1483
Joined: 12 Dec 2009, 15:10
x 5

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by Chris570 »

my wallet is now wimpering/hiding after ordering 2 bearings.

i wouldnt be so sure that the bearing damage isnt hammer related, at the Citroen Service Centre the whole lot took a big beating from the hammer, if the disc was hit outwards with the carrier clamped it would exert the force on the hub/bearing

addo
Sara Watson's Stalker
Posts: 7098
Joined: 19 Aug 2008, 12:38
x 4

Post by addo »

I should have a 605 NSF ABS sensor in uncorroded state. It had a swim in muddy fresh water but never ice or road salt. PM me if you'd like it.

As to the wheel bearings - aren't they the same as Xantia?

User avatar
Chris570
Donor 2020
Posts: 1483
Joined: 12 Dec 2009, 15:10
x 5

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by Chris570 »

Oh i forgot to mention, the swivel joint is still stuck in one of the hubs, they are tough buggers with very very strong casings, i'm sending it off to an engineering firm to have a driveshaft nut welded onto the casing so hopefully that'll shift the b@stard.

If anyone else has any other tips for removing them i'm all ears :)

Nope the bearings are different unfortunately. the same as a non ABS 605 i think.

xmexclusive
Posts: 419
Joined: 18 Dec 2008, 23:50

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by xmexclusive »

From memory XM front wheel bearings changed size about 1997.
Late XM is Teves Mk4 or Teves Mk20 ABS.
Teves Mk4 was also used on some Xantias.
The Teves sensors are usually branded ATE and cheap compared to the Bendix ones of the early XM's.
Pug 605 has a different ABS.

John

User avatar
Chris570
Donor 2020
Posts: 1483
Joined: 12 Dec 2009, 15:10
x 5

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by Chris570 »

yep they did change around then, the earlier type seem a lot cheaper, which is annoying, at least i won't have to change them very often i guess.
you've reminded me, mine is a Mk20

addo
Sara Watson's Stalker
Posts: 7098
Joined: 19 Aug 2008, 12:38
x 4

Post by addo »

It doesn't look as if any of the sensors interchange with 605. Bugger.
xmexclusive wrote:Pug 605 has a different ABS and you need to book a hard braking application several weeks in advance.

User avatar
Chris570
Donor 2020
Posts: 1483
Joined: 12 Dec 2009, 15:10
x 5

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by Chris570 »

Thank you for your kind offer anyway :)

citroenxm
Posts: 7928
Joined: 31 Dec 2004, 00:10
x 39

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by citroenxm »

Hi Chris..

What an interesting read! Cant beleve how hard you find working and removing engines from these girls! Ive had two PRV V6s out now, one my 12v auto, the other my 24v manual...

Bottom ball joints... simple.. I HEAT them... I heat them on the joint itself and melt the rubber and grease, while at the same time this melts the locktite on the threads, but remember to ALSO bend out the locked edges between the hub and joint... so in theroy theres two locked methods...

Xantia S2 used Tevis 20 systems, with an all plastic sensor, where as early Mk.1 Xantias used a metal coated house. My guess is your XM needs a S2 type xantia sensor... relativly cheap on ebay. John (xmexclusive)s your best man for knowledge of sensors though..

Ive sucesfully removed bottom joints with heat without getting the wheel bearing too hot, and they have survived.. though if your fitting bearings then theres no worries!

Paul

User avatar
Chris570
Donor 2020
Posts: 1483
Joined: 12 Dec 2009, 15:10
x 5

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by Chris570 »

Thanks for that, i might try extreme heat in conjunction with the welded nut approach.

There is believe it or not more room in a Xantia engine bay with the ES9 than in the XM.

Sorry but the Xantia is a better car all round than the XM.

But the XM makes up for it in it sheer quirkiness, which I like (obviously).

It's here to stay, I keep on being asked if i'll sell her when she's done and the answer is no, i don't think i'd ever find another one and it is a future classic i'm sure.

ABS sensors, now there's a thought....

citroenxm
Posts: 7928
Joined: 31 Dec 2004, 00:10
x 39

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by citroenxm »

yaaaayy someone who knows a good car...

User avatar
DickieG
Monaco's youngest playboy
Posts: 4896
Joined: 25 Nov 2006, 10:15
x 15

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by DickieG »

citroenxm wrote:yaaaayy someone who knows a good car...
Don't you mean needs psychiatric help :lol:

citroenxm
Posts: 7928
Joined: 31 Dec 2004, 00:10
x 39

Re: My XM V6.... She Lives! In true XM fashion is on a death

Post by citroenxm »

ive had it.. makes no difference...