Brake Pad Wear Sensor Wiring Loom:Problems withGenuine Parts
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Brake Pad Wear Sensor Wiring Loom:Problems withGenuine Parts
Wondering if anyone else has had this type of problem and solved it?
On my ZX 1.9D (and probably on a lot of other PSA cars from the same era), there is a wiring loom that runs between a plug on the front brake caliper through a hole the engine bay side/flitch panel to a plug inside the engine bay - there is one on each side.
The wire on each side on my car has broken, so I went to Citroen to order replacements (part 6526T2) which arrived.
The wire loom has two groove-ringed rubber grommets glued to it along the length of the wire - one push fits into a bracket to hold it to the strut, the other pushes into a hole in the engine bay side/flitch panel.
The problem is that the grommets on the new wires are much larger than the old ones, which are the original parts the car left the factory with. This means that they are too large to fix to the strut and puch into the hole in the flitch panel (unless you gouge out the hole to make it bigger - not really what you do with genuine parts, eh?). The centre grooved circumferance of the grommets is still larger than the old ones, and so could not really be pared down ith a scalpel and made to fit.
Citroen technical have come back and said that this part number is the only one ever fitted to the ZX range and they've had no previous complaints. This is patently incorrect.
Has anyone had this problem? Are there any other equivalents listed for other PSA vehicles that will fit? Has anyone been in a position of buying genuine dealer parts listed for their car that don't fit?
On my ZX 1.9D (and probably on a lot of other PSA cars from the same era), there is a wiring loom that runs between a plug on the front brake caliper through a hole the engine bay side/flitch panel to a plug inside the engine bay - there is one on each side.
The wire on each side on my car has broken, so I went to Citroen to order replacements (part 6526T2) which arrived.
The wire loom has two groove-ringed rubber grommets glued to it along the length of the wire - one push fits into a bracket to hold it to the strut, the other pushes into a hole in the engine bay side/flitch panel.
The problem is that the grommets on the new wires are much larger than the old ones, which are the original parts the car left the factory with. This means that they are too large to fix to the strut and puch into the hole in the flitch panel (unless you gouge out the hole to make it bigger - not really what you do with genuine parts, eh?). The centre grooved circumferance of the grommets is still larger than the old ones, and so could not really be pared down ith a scalpel and made to fit.
Citroen technical have come back and said that this part number is the only one ever fitted to the ZX range and they've had no previous complaints. This is patently incorrect.
Has anyone had this problem? Are there any other equivalents listed for other PSA vehicles that will fit? Has anyone been in a position of buying genuine dealer parts listed for their car that don't fit?
This is the same part that Citroen supplied me with, but that doesn't fit an is different to the original part i.e. the rubber grommets are too big to fit.
This is pretty weird - looks as if the supplier/manufacturer of this part has changed the spec right under PSA's noses. I suppose they need to be told about this.
It's alright Citroen UK technical saying 'it's ok 'cos we've had no complaints before', but honestly how many of these parts have they sold recently to be able to make that statement? How many people would bother to replace these sensors on their old ZX? The fact is that they're selling parts that don't fit their cars.
This is pretty weird - looks as if the supplier/manufacturer of this part has changed the spec right under PSA's noses. I suppose they need to be told about this.
It's alright Citroen UK technical saying 'it's ok 'cos we've had no complaints before', but honestly how many of these parts have they sold recently to be able to make that statement? How many people would bother to replace these sensors on their old ZX? The fact is that they're selling parts that don't fit their cars.
Yes, that's going to be my last resort, though 'careful' is an understatement.
The two rings of rubber are moulded onto a rubber, barrel-shaped bud. This in turn is glued to the sheath that lines the actual wire. The wire isn't one continuous sheath - this is joined underneath the grommet moulding, so cutting it risks exposing/cutting the two wires that run inside it.
The biggest problem is the depth of the groove between the two rubber rings. The original is deeper than the new one, and it will be bery hard to cut out a deeper groove within 3mm space in the hard rubber without wrecking the whole thing.
For the time being, I'm trying my hand with PSA technical again - I've sent them a picture as evidence too. My angle is that they need to get a grip of their supplier first as they're producing goods that are out of spec![/list]
The two rings of rubber are moulded onto a rubber, barrel-shaped bud. This in turn is glued to the sheath that lines the actual wire. The wire isn't one continuous sheath - this is joined underneath the grommet moulding, so cutting it risks exposing/cutting the two wires that run inside it.
The biggest problem is the depth of the groove between the two rubber rings. The original is deeper than the new one, and it will be bery hard to cut out a deeper groove within 3mm space in the hard rubber without wrecking the whole thing.
For the time being, I'm trying my hand with PSA technical again - I've sent them a picture as evidence too. My angle is that they need to get a grip of their supplier first as they're producing goods that are out of spec![/list]
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I've recently bought one of these. You've got me worried now. I haven't tried fitting it yet. It's still sealed in the bag. I can see a white label, wrapped around the cable, with some writing and numbers on it:-
LEAR
TANGER
9608133680 9608133680
etc etc
Is this the same as yours?
I've measured the outer diameter of one of the grommets and it's about 22mm. That was a rough measurement with the cable still in the bag.
Edit: I just noticed that my number is the same as the one on your original cable, but you missed out the first "9" in the part number. It's 9608133680 not 608133680.
I think it's probably made by "LEAR AUTOMOTIVE MOROCCO". That's from a Google search for lear tanger.
Paul
LEAR
TANGER
9608133680 9608133680
etc etc
Is this the same as yours?
I've measured the outer diameter of one of the grommets and it's about 22mm. That was a rough measurement with the cable still in the bag.
Edit: I just noticed that my number is the same as the one on your original cable, but you missed out the first "9" in the part number. It's 9608133680 not 608133680.
I think it's probably made by "LEAR AUTOMOTIVE MOROCCO". That's from a Google search for lear tanger.
Paul
Yes, these are exactly the same parts as the ones the Citroen Dealer supplied me with.
I've still had no response from Citroen technical. Looks like they need to lean on their north-african supplier!
I've a picture that shows the difference between the two parts, but it doesn't seem to be possible to attach these to the threads on this forum?
You'll probably have to buy a new bracker for your strut to fit these, though fitting them to the flitch panel may be impossible.
I'll try and PM them to you and Citronut.
I've still had no response from Citroen technical. Looks like they need to lean on their north-african supplier!
I've a picture that shows the difference between the two parts, but it doesn't seem to be possible to attach these to the threads on this forum?
You'll probably have to buy a new bracker for your strut to fit these, though fitting them to the flitch panel may be impossible.
I'll try and PM them to you and Citronut.
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i think you will find the plastic sleave should/does run right through the gromet on the old loom, but it has just split/torn as it comes out,
just try slitting the gromet down the side so you can remove it from the sleave,
the other option is as RichardW says take them back get a refund, then try and repair the old one's if there is enough wire showing from the conectors,
regards malcolm
just try slitting the gromet down the side so you can remove it from the sleave,
the other option is as RichardW says take them back get a refund, then try and repair the old one's if there is enough wire showing from the conectors,
regards malcolm
Unfortunately, reusing the old looms isn't an option as the wires were snapped clean in half on both, which is why I was replacing them.
So far, Citroen Technical have been strangely silent, which means I'll probably never get an answer.
So, I'm going to buy a new bracket for the strut that will (hopefully) fit the new looms. As for the bracket ont he flitch panel, I'm going to widen the threshold of this so that it will take the new loom, paint it, leave it to harden, then fit the new loom. It's probably the only way.
Why do PSA have parts made from suppliers based in North Africa? I mean, it's hardly a world renown centre of technological and manufacturing expertise is it?
So far, Citroen Technical have been strangely silent, which means I'll probably never get an answer.
So, I'm going to buy a new bracket for the strut that will (hopefully) fit the new looms. As for the bracket ont he flitch panel, I'm going to widen the threshold of this so that it will take the new loom, paint it, leave it to harden, then fit the new loom. It's probably the only way.
Why do PSA have parts made from suppliers based in North Africa? I mean, it's hardly a world renown centre of technological and manufacturing expertise is it?
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The supplier is the Lear Corporation. It's a big multi-national company with headquarters in America. They've got factories all over the world, including Morocco. The factories tend to be in areas of cheap labour.
www.lear.com
Paul
www.lear.com
Paul