differnce between bx suspanstion and the xantia. And ADVICE

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Post by citroenxm »

Being Xantias, they would have been that Lucas EPIC Rubbish .... Says it all.... :P

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citroenxm wrote:Being Xantias, they would have been that Lucas EPIC Rubbish .... Says it all.... :P

Paul
Exactly! The position of your foot has no bearing on the actual rate of acceleration, it's all down to what the pump feels like doing.
I found to get it to perform even marginally like a 1.9TD I had to rev the nuts off it, which meant only 30mpg.
Overtaking was nigh impossible unless you were going down hill.

Jim however, being a more sedate driver, had no trouble and it was well suited to his driving style, and was able to get 50+ mpg.
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ive got bosch on mine. If notice it goes faster by sqeesing your foot on the gas. Then slamming it down hard. iTS hard to explanine I need to just do it right. It goes like a rocket.
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Funny you should say that, I always found with my 205s and Xantias to some extent they seem to accelerate better if you back off slightly from having your foot to the floor
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Post by Peter.N. »

I think the difference probably is the way they produce the power, the 1.9 is more revvy, if you like that sort of thing, probably feels more like a petrol engine, but they are gutless below 2000 rpm which is where the 2.1 excells, it will pull from tickover and developes a considerable ammount of torque even before the turbo comes on stream.

I also have a 2.0 Hdi 110 which pulls well from 1500 rpm but vibrates if you put your foot down at anything less than that, whereas the 2.1 will pull smoothly and feels altogether more civilised - could be something to do with my age of course :?

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Post by citroenxm »

Peter,

RE: HDi. You could have an injector problem there then. Mums T Reg HDi 110 will slow to 40mph and 1100rpm, then accellerate - albeit slowly - in 5th back up to speed. However, my HDi with badly rattleing injectors, will NOT do this and I have to change to 4th gear...

Have a listen to your engine while driving if you ca, and when you accellerate you may be able to hear the injectors rattle up to 3k...

I have a set to go in mine at some point that I know are ok...

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back to the BX over XANT prefrence,

the BX's hight contro; linkage is very very simple compared with to the XANT, and did not suffer anywere near the same for seizeing up,

the usual part that seized up on a BX was the pivot point which hangs down from under the rear axle,

very easy to get at to free off,

regarding BX's sinking if the system was in good condiotion they could and did keep it up for a couple of day,

the usual rear end on the ground shortly after engine off, was caused by the dosoure valev leaking internaly,

and as the rear suspension returns via the dosoure vavle the rear would sit down quite quick,


also my NA 1.9D used to fly even more after she was gasflowed/portted :twisted:

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As for 1.9D n/a in the BX that depends which eira of N/a XUD you had... First 1985 ones were 60bhp, then later mid 80's to early 90's were 65bhp, then last TXD models were 75bhp N/a, those identified by the fuel filter house on the thermostat!

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Post by Peter.N. »

Hi Paul

Back to the vibration :D it pulls OK, that's not the problem its just that when you have your foot down hard at below 1500 rpm you can feel engine vibration in the car, is as though the top mounting is worn only it doesn't appear to be, the engine itself is smooth enough. It may be that I'm expecting to much from a smaller car but the XM pulls not only well but almost vibration free from tickover.

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Post by Sid_the_Squid »

I have to say my dads 2.1TD (which is Jim & Xac's old 2.1) does feel very torquey low down, pulls very smooth from tick over compared to my HDi, which is not rough or jerky, just doesn't feel as smooth, could be that boost leak I have though :roll:

Back to the 2.1 he gets about 45~50mpg, but I suspect a quite relaxed driving style being as he's over 60, don't think he revs the thing beyond 2.5k, but with all that torque he really doesn't need to, lovely car, I've nothing bad to say about the pump or the engine in general, I can defiantly see the appeal.

As an aside Paul what does a rattly injector sound like, e.g. a ball bearing noise lose in a jar or like sand in a balloon?
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Well heres the thing. My sisters boy friend is getting a bmw z4. And hes selling his xsara 1.9td lx quite cheap. 500 pound.
My bx will need 500 pound to make it right. But at the moment i lost my job. Got made redundant over a month ago. Was at a perfume factory for 6 years. Then bang no job. Ive got some redundant money though. And doll money comming in, Also still live with my mum. So it could be done if i spend it right.

The rides very hard at the moment. I take my citroen to bullwinkles. Hes done allsorts. The reason why the rides hard. Is becase he set up the ride hight on the old bearings. So instead of it going smoothly. It goes with a big bang and a fud.
Hes changes the back spheras. But he said the frount ones was ok.
Before i took it in the warning lights came on. I had a leak in the returne pipe i think.
When the bx is cold it takes a good 3 to 5 mins to rise up. And not as much as it used to. The warning light does stay on or come on. Its not the belt had that checked.
The other week it stayed on for a good 10 15 min. I was off to my dads about 10 mile trip. The steering was heavry the ride was hard and ruth.
I thought whats the point.
The next day i was off home. It was superb, Best it been in a long time. Just wiered how one day lights come on sterring rubbish. Then the next day superb.
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Post by citroenxm »

Sid_the_Squid wrote:

As an aside Paul what does a rattly injector sound like, e.g. a ball bearing noise lose in a jar or like sand in a balloon?
Ball bearing noise in a PLASTIC container really... but in a lighter way...


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Post by jacksun1987 »

Dont think it makes a niose. Its the arm bearings whats going. The wheel bearings are ok i think.
This is whats on the minors.
Nearside Power steering rams has slight seepage from a componment
Steering systerm slighty rough
Near side Frount constant velocity joint gaiter deteriorated
off side frount frount suspantion has slight movement at a wishbone pin or bush
Nearside rear radius arm has slight play in a pin or bush
Nearside frount break hose slightly deterioated
offside frount break hose slighty deterioated



Bullwinkles wrote it down what needs doing to it. Cant read his writing though all small and funny. lol
Can make out Homes resping Attintion LH RH Frount lower Suspantion arm bushes
LH RH Frount ante roll bar links
LHR Suspention arm Beaing
Leak from RHF frount break Calliper
Rhf + Both rear wheel bearings Slightly noisey

Engine leaking oil
But he siad theres no point doing the oil leak. Cost a bomb Im using 1 liter of oil bout once every 2 to 3 weeks
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Post by citronut »

that oil leak is more like tory cannyon,

a litre every 1 to 2 weeks is a very bad leak, if that is also getting onto the cam belt i would be seriously worried,

i think i would also get someone elss to give you a second opinion on all that they have said is wrong with that car,


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Post by Citroenmad »

Peter.N. wrote: I also have a 2.0 Hdi 110 which pulls well from 1500 rpm but vibrates if you put your foot down at anything less than that, whereas the 2.1 will pull smoothly and feels altogether more civilised - could be something to do with my age of course :?
It shouldn't do that, neither of our 110 HDis do that, they pull very nicely from around 1100/1200 rpm, no vibrations. More pull low down than the Bosch equipped 2.1 Xm, whichs starts to pull better slightly high in the rev range.
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