berlingo 1.9d van loss of power

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CitroJim wrote:Is the solenoid the device low down with the cable-tie around it in your picture? In roughly the same place as the boost overfuelling device in my picture?
Yes, I think that's it, although I 'borrowed' that picture from evilbay. :) Trouble is quite a lot of them on there (I was just looking) are marked up wrong.

I was intending on getting a couple of pics but they are at the wrong angle unfortunately.
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forgot to say that my solinoid was intermittent , so could not be tested with a ohm meter, when the fault appeared I just stopped the motor turned the ignition OFF for ten seconds started back up and problem cleared for about 3 months , then back to problem again, best is just replace it if you have one fitted
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gents,

thanks for all your help. Looking at the photo's my pump is a Luca type similar to the 1 shown in Spider's thread.

If thats the case, am hoping it might be something as simple as a sensor playing up (fingers crossed).

Ah well got tomorrow to have another play, but as before any ideas/help gratefully accepted.
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Glad to be of help , let us know how you get on
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right have just had the garage on the phone they told me that the problem is beyond them and it needs to go to a diesel specialist they have checked all electrics and sensors and they are all fine. they did say that it is overfueling i said about the pump and he said you cant just put a second hand one on because of the ecu. so if anybody can come up with some more advice it would be much appreciated
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Have been following this as my Pug206 has similar problems.

have today removed what I believe is the advance solonoid from the fuel pump.
Its on the later pump shown in Spider's photo which has a white cable tie around a black rubber cover, towards the bottom of the pump behind the throttle damper.

The solonoid when tested with a multi meter was showing closed circuit (no resistance), and when connected up and with the ignition switched on "ticked" for the duration of the glow plug light being on.

It has a small pin hole in the end and a similar hole halfway along its length above a fine wire mesh.

Looking at it it looked like the end should move out as if an electro plunger type affair, but when powered up it didnt.

Sorry didnt think to photgraph it whilst out.

Couldnt see anything else wrong with it, and couldnt see anything inside the pump( used a mirror to look) which maight look out of the ordinary.

On finding nothing jumping out as being wrong other than the suspected plunger bit not working, I replaced it, and switched on the ignition, didnt hear any ticking from the solonoid, started the car and took it for a run.

WOW must have disturbed something as it now runs like a good un, drives like a new car.
Am waiting for it to cool down to see how it goes when cold again.

I think we may be onto something chaps.

Pottsy, just so you know it only took a few minutes to remove and replace, so I think your earlier post as well as Spiders piccy may have saved the day. :D
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That's brilliant news :D Hopefully, all will now be OK but if it fails again, at least you know what to replace..

In removing it, the pin may have previously been sticking or you may have disturbed a bit of debris stopping it moving, even possibly a small piece of swarf from manufacture.

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skertonman, that's excellent :)

dave28, that's not so good :(

You can change it to another (used) one without coding it but you will need to mess around a fair bit to do it. I would guess if they say over-fuelling it is stuck but cannot be sure without seeing it.
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i have just had to get the van towed back from the garage it is worse than before bellows out white smoke on idle and you cannot rev it at all without it conking out they said that they only checked the timing and put it on the computer but that was all fine they have deffo done something to make this worse
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another thing that i forgot to mention is that now when i put my headlights on there is a load rumberling noise from around the gearbox side it sounds silly but it is from there
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Hi all just got the van back at last so here goes
the van got picked up on tuesday by a citroen mechanic and the problem was a fully blocked exhaust from front downpipe to back box the guy has never seen one so bad .as this was the only problem i had the cambelt and water pump done and oil the van now drives better than it ever has since ive had it.
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dave28 wrote:Hi all just got the van back at last so here goes
the van got picked up on tuesday by a Citroën mechanic and the problem was a fully blocked exhaust from front downpipe to back box the guy has never seen one so bad .as this was the only problem i had the cambelt and water pump done and oil the van now drives better than it ever has since ive had it.
That's excellent to hear its all good now :) , good idea with Cambelt + WaterPump as well, at least you know they are done with.

I can only assume ( ! ) the cat had broken up and stayed in the pipe gradually blocking it. Its possible I guess a new one was fitted and this eventually broke so you had bits of two. But anyway it is good to know its all sorted. 8-)
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also the bad rumberling noise that i thought i heard from the gearbox was the headlight height adjustment motor; the switch on the dash was inbetween two settings causing the motor to vibrate down the inner wing
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dave28 wrote:also the bad rumberling noise that i thought i heard from the gearbox was the headlight height adjustment motor; the switch on the dash was inbetween two settings causing the motor to vibrate down the inner wing
That's different. The last car I had with electric headlights was an Astra, I just unplugged them (the motors!) as they used to move on their own sometimes.
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another couple of tips that the mechanic said was, to test the EGR simply unclip the metal pipe from exhaust to egr and try to rev the engine if it then revs ok than the egr is at fault but if there is no differant it is ok. also to test for a blocked cat or exhaust disconnect the air filter pipe that connects to the EGR when the car is running, it will blow if ther is a blockage or suck if it is clear
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