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Post by daviemck2006 »

I used to use new veg oil about 50/50 in an old 106 1.5d with no probs but would not put it near an hdi engine. A taxi owner i worked for put it into an 806 2.0hdi and it broke down within 1/2 mile and cost him over £800 to put right. Because he bought hundreds of gallons of the stuff he thought he would try again on an 807 2.2hdi after putting a pre heating system into the fuel line and it lastes just over 1000 miles before it needed over £1000 of repairs to fuel system. That was stuff bought from a dodgy supplier who just happened to have an interest in the gagage that did his servicing and repairs............
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Post by jgra1 »

hmm Davie...

Roth,
I like the smell, ;) people at work dont, but then they are very upset at my cheap mileage I reckon :D

I was lucky, I brought my WVO from ebay, and then have stayed in touch with the oilman since then really.. if he folded I am not sure what I would do...

you will find someone I am sure.. have a search.

my chap would probably fill you a 1000l IBC.. you would need to hire a van and bring it down to him.. but the saving of £1000 makes it worth a thought..

this is as long as he doesnt run out of oil for me :twisted:
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Post by evilally »

Remember that in theory you will see a 15% drop in economy with BD or WVO, factor that into any savings you might be making.

The seller is correct, it is advisable to start off with a lower concentration to see if you run into any problems. It might highlight any underlying issues with the fuel system.

If it's well made biodiesel it should work in most diesel engines regardless of pump type. The problem is that buying biodiesel is a lottery, a lot of it is complete garbage. I would be tempted to ask the seller for a small sample that you could run some basic tests on.

If you have an XUD with Bosch you can save a lot of money by using WVO, or SVO if you prefer. The ideal setup for you I would imagine would be a 1000L IBC delivered to your door that you could fit a nozzle to and fill direct to the car.
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Cassy loves it even with the recent freezing weather.
If there is snow/ice on the roads then I add some diesel.
She's good at telling me if the mix isn't right as she'll be a bit sluggish until she warms up after a few miles.
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The xm gets a bit of petrol or diesel to thin the wvo down, in the winter. It works pretty well but due to the percentages i use performance is somewhat decreased!
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Post by Rhothgar »

jgra1 wrote:my chap would probably fill you a 1000l IBC.. you would need to hire a van and bring it down to him.. but the saving of £1000 makes it worth a thought..
Who needs a saving of £1000? Aren't we all monied us Citroen owners? :lol:

I'm in! PM his details!

Could do with saving a grand to give it to HM for last year's corporation tax that I'm behind on! DOH!

Found some IBC's on Ebay. Does you man have them as well?

Also, is it crud the WVO he sells you or does he filter it tp some extent?
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Post by Rhothgar »

Oh yes! Forgot to say.

Cannot read what pump is as it is a bit oily.

It states Made in Germany so that's a good start and below that looks like 465-8

That'll make any sense to some erudite forum member!
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Post by jgra1 »

Rhoth I will have a chat with him , he was low on oil last week,, like I say he needs to have a surplus.. will be in touch with him. he does do the IBC's thinking about it... anyway, will get back to you

the stuff he supplies I have been using for 40K .. I have to admit I have forgetten what happens to it before I get it :twisted:

but do a local search on ebay for WVO? it will be cheaper still .?

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Post by Rhothgar »

Have done a search.

Not desperate as I think you are a long way away but as and when his supplies allow a 1000 litres to be syphoned off I would be very interested providing it is good stuff.
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Some years ago i saw on the tinternet that white spirit was used to make the vo a little less viscous,is this viable or are you better off putting a little petrol in.
And as for price my local morrisons have it for £1.05 a litre a saving of about £1.25 a gallon or about £19 on a full tank.And needs nothing doing to it as its nice and clean with no water in.Maybe a good idea to cook some chips in it first to get that loverly chip shop smell LOL.
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wotwot wrote:Some years ago i saw on the tinternet that white spirit was used to make the vo a little less viscous,is this viable or are you better off putting a little petrol in.
And as for price my local morrisons have it for £1.05 a litre a saving of about £1.25 a gallon or about £19 on a full tank.And needs nothing doing to it as its nice and clean with no water in.Maybe a good idea to cook some chips in it first to get that loverly chip shop smell LOL.
I would stick with petrol as it's duty paid and a legal road fuel. If you get caught with even a small amount of white spirit in your tank the consequences can be severe. 10% petrol halves the viscosity of vegetable oil, but will retard the cetane rating a lot. This might reduce performance and economy, although personally I've never noticed a difference.
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Post by Xaccers »

Also, some of us have seen what non-fuels used to cut with veg can do to the fuel system, and it isn't pretty.

I only ever cut with diesel, although I can understand why WVO users would use petrol, and we know using petrol in extremely cold climates with diesel is the norm.
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Post by Rhothgar »

evilally wrote:The seller is correct, it is advisable to start off with a lower concentration to see if you run into any problems. It might highlight any underlying issues with the fuel system..
Nah! Think I'm going to be bullish and go 100%. Like the Dr Pepper advert states, "What's the worst that could happen?".

I think WVO is "so misunderstood"

Anyway, quick one because I do have to fill up today.

Did anyone make any sense out of the markings on my pump? "Made in Germany" and "465-8" as it is too oily and I am not sure what the Bosch pump looks like!!!
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Post by jgra1 »

hi Roth.. um. if the pump has a flat dome held with 4 torx, on the top (we call them flying saucers) then it's a bosch..

My oilman came back to me, as suspected demand is just too high right now.. sorry but he has no spare capacity.. :( will let you know if things change.

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Post by Rhothgar »

Thanks John.

As I said no rush as it gives me time to look into it properly.

It would only be worth my while if I collected a 1000 litres at a time. Don't particularly like the idea of forking out £450 - £500 for WVO but it's a nice saving on £1319 at the current rate.
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