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Xac wrote:I thought he had! I remember seeing something about the "green wave" with traffic lights so that as long as you stuck to the speed limit you'd either hit none or one set of red lights, a brilliant idea which I've never experienced, as it would seem Ken broke the wave.
Remember the hell that was the Hanger lane gyratory ? Caused havoc and filled any driver with dread if they had to use it ?!

Well, about 8 years ago, after the local authority had embarked on yet another hugely expensive scheme in an effort to resolve the problem, a traffic engineer working on the project was sitting having his lunch and just happened to be reviewing the original traffic light sequencing strategy for the area.
He noticed that the lights didn't seem to conform to the plan so he instigated a conformity check.
They discovered that the lights had never been set up correctly to conform to the original strategy !!!
So, the lights were re-configured and the original plan adjusted to take account of increased & traffic flow over the years and bingo, Hanger lane was transformed into driving bliss !!
I actually didn't believe this could have been such a transformation but having experienced Hanger Lane at it's worst when I spent time in London some years ago I went back to see for myself when down there a couple of years after seeing this program and it was indeed amazing !!
There was virtually no congestion !

Just how much more of the congestion problems in London are due to issues like this ??!!
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MikeT wrote:The national debt is some 160 billion and increasing because the deficit is totally out of control.
It's a bit more than that !!!

Read this and weep !!!

http://www.debtbombshell.com/
And to bring the banks into perspective, only about 60billion of that debt was due to bank bailouts.
It was handy for Gordo/Darling to blame the banks as it diverted the real blame away from them.
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HDI wrote:Remember the hell that was the Hanger lane gyratory ? Caused havoc and filled any driver with dread if they had to use it ?!
Yes it still does every day I drive to work.
HDI wrote:Hanger lane was transformed into driving bliss !!
I actually didn't believe this could have been such a transformation but having experienced Hanger Lane at it's worst when I spent time in London some years ago I went back to see for myself when down there a couple of years after seeing this program and it was indeed amazing !!
There was virtually no congestion !
You must have been in a very deep sleep or it was 5am on a Sunday morning when England were playing in the World Cup Final!!

The Hanger lane Gyratory is hell on earth :evil:
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Xac wrote:The banks didn't cause the financial mess we're in, the over spending and over generous predictions of future growth (always incorrect but it justified their borrowing) has put us into financial stook, the old saying "socialists have run out of other people's money" has come true again.
Strange that one Xac as I thought that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were the Prime Ministers of just the UK, I didn't realise that they were also responsible for every other nation also suffering from the same financial crisis, i.e. USA, Germany, Japan, France, Greece, Spain, Ireland etc. I give up at this point otherwise I'll be typing all night!

Xac, have you just eaten the David Cameron and George Osborne manifesto? :?
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Xac wrote:The banks didn't cause the financial mess we're in, the over spending and over generous predictions of future growth (always incorrect but it justified their borrowing) has put us into financial stook, the old saying "socialists have run out of other people's money" has come true again.
Strange that one Xac as I thought that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were the Prime Ministers of just the UK, I didn't realise that they were also responsible for every other nation also suffering from the same financial crisis, i.e. USA, Germany, Japan, France, Greece, Spain, Ireland etc. I give up at this point otherwise I'll be typing all night!

Xac, have you just eaten the David Cameron and George Osborne manifesto? :?
Nope, you see most countries that are badly affected are also ones which ran up huge debts either funding wars in the middle east or through paying for council staff that never turn up (look at Greece), or bailing out other incompetant governments.
You're not honestly trying to say that they weren't spending much more than we could afford?
Shirley you don't think turning the surplus they had in 1997 into such a deficit is down to the banking crisis?
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Read this or this or this and then tell me that it was nothing to do with the banks :roll:

You'll be saying that you've never heard of Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae next!
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it is indeed a touchy subject in these times of cutbacks. I cant believe how stupid labour have been to be honest, there time in government played out like a slow motion train wreck, massive government employment, benefits, overlending, stupid laws, the nany state etc etc :evil: .

Dont mind me, im just sore because i didnt borrow every penny i could, spend it on nice holidays and cars and then decide the loan was illegal and get it written off because "it wasnt made clear to me at the time of the loan agreement i would have to pay the money back" :lol:,

The way i see it the truth is its more than just the government's missmanagement of the country OR the banks lending in unsafe foreign markets OR indeed the general public for grabbing what they could at the time too, its all of it, everyone was on the bandwagon really knowingly or not.

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DickieG wrote:
Xac wrote:The banks didn't cause the financial mess we're in, the over spending and over generous predictions of future growth (always incorrect but it justified their borrowing) has put us into financial stook, the old saying "socialists have run out of other people's money" has come true again.
Strange that one Xac as I thought that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were the Prime Ministers of just the UK, I didn't realise that they were also responsible for every other nation also suffering from the same financial crisis, i.e. USA, Germany, Japan, France, Greece, Spain, Ireland etc. I give up at this point otherwise I'll be typing all night!

Xac, have you just eaten the David Cameron and George Osborne manifesto? :?
Rather that than the Alastair Campbell alternative.

The point that Xac was making is that the previous government has been spending more money than it raised in tax since it's 2002/03 budget, i.e. it has had a year on year budget deficit since 2002 and that is during good economic conditions.

There is quite a good article on the Guardian about the national debt and budget deficit if you want numbers to look at.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog ... owing-data

The previous government will be looked upon as popular by many because of their "generous" spending while the current government are going to be very unpopular because of the harsh cuts they have to make. As harsh as these cuts are they will only reduce the budget deficit it will still be well over £100 billion this year, i.e. national debt will continue to grow.
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DickieG wrote:Read this or this or this and then tell me that it was nothing to do with the banks :roll:

You'll be saying that you've never heard of Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae next!
The banking crisis has mad a bad situation worse, but it didn't cause the bad situation.
The nations finances were overstretched long before.
As I said, you're not seriously suggesting that the banking crisis is what turned the '97 surplus into £43bn deficit in 2005 are you?
Incidently, even Bliar has said they should have tackled the deficit back then as it was getting out of hand.

In simple terms it was like this:
You earn £1000 a month and your outgoings are £1000 a month, but then you get Sky, and a new mobile, so you're short each month and start using your credit card with a £5000 limit.
Eventually you get near the limit, but your credit score is good so it gets increased, winter hits and your gas bill skyrockets, you're even shorter each month, so you increase your credit limit again, it's still not enough so you ask for another increase but the credit card company declines your request.
Now what caused your financial situation? The credit card refusing to give you more credit, or you spending more money than you could afford to?
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What I cannot stand about Cameron and Osborne is the blatant lies they told pre-election, when their manifesto was found to be financially incorrect by well respected economists stating that their sums "didn't add up" they claimed they did. Then a matter of hours after forming a government they claim that they didn't know how bad things were, oh really, maybe the maths lessons at Eton School are not all they are cracked up to be :roll:

In any other walk of life if you obtain a job by knowingly making an incorrect statement you leave yourself open to prosecution.

Oh and according to our Chancellor (who has just returned from his £11k skiing holiday) "We are all in this together" please don't take me for a fool Mr Osborne.
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DickieG wrote:Read this or this or this and then tell me that it was nothing to do with the banks :roll:

You'll be saying that you've never heard of Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae next!
It is naive to suggest that the UK banking crisis was caused by the US housing market collapsing. UK based banks were so poorly regulated that they were allowed to repackage sub-prime loans into securities and then to sell them on, through a process known as "securitization".

http://www.housingwire.com/2010/04/07/g ... ial-crisis

The banks bought securitized mortgages which they believed were to be low risk, they turned out to be rather higher risk than they were lead to believe that they were.
DickieG wrote:What I cannot stand about Cameron and Osborne is the blatant lies they told pre-election, when their manifesto was found to be financially incorrect by well respected economists stating that their sums "didn't add up" they claimed they did. Then a matter of hours after forming a government they claim that they didn't know how bad things were, oh really, maybe the maths lessons at Eton School are not all they are cracked up to be :roll:

In any other walk of life if you obtain a job by knowingly making an incorrect statement you leave yourself open to prosecution.

Oh and according to our Chancellor (who has just returned from his £11k skiing holiday) "We are all in this together" please don't take me for a fool Mr Osborne.
What cuts did the Labour manifesto announce they would make prior to election? Would you prefer that Labour had been voted into government at best in denial about the state or the economy at worst lying about the cuts they knew they would have to make?
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DickieG wrote:What I cannot stand about Cameron and Osborne is the blatant lies they told pre-election, when their manifesto was found to be financially incorrect by well respected economists stating that their sums "didn't add up" they claimed they did. Then a matter of hours after forming a government they claim that they didn't know how bad things were, oh really, maybe the maths lessons at Eton School are not all they are cracked up to be :roll:

In any other walk of life if you obtain a job by knowingly making an incorrect statement you leave yourself open to prosecution.

Oh and according to our Chancellor (who has just returned from his £11k skiing holiday) "We are all in this together" please don't take me for a fool Mr Osborne.
Was the holiday paid for by treasury funds or from his own pocket? If the former then surely that's a breach of parlimentary code, and if the latter, then frankly so frickin what?
He has money, big deal, I'm not jealous of that, the money I make is down to me and the dice life rolls for me, same as anyone else.
Likewise with the usual derogatory Eton comments. Having managed to have a year's worth of private education thanks to my dad working damn hard to improve the lot for his family, I know how much better it is than state education. Lets not forget that Bliar went to Fettes college.


Many well respected and experienced economists said their sums were correct, and the actions they've planned are correct, while many equally respected and experienced say they're wrong.
This just shows if you search hard enough you can get plenty of differing opinions and we'll only know for certain when we either get out of this financial mess or go cap in hand to the IMF like under Labour.
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Fact, politicians have always lied and will always lie, that is the only way they convince some, unfortunately most, of the population they should be the ones elected. What amazes me is how they walk away from the consequences every time ! When I was at school theft and fraud were crimes !
Party politics are obsolete and not fit for the modern world, that is why we have this constant state of dissatisfaction.
Like the Roman Empire had it's day and collapsed we may be seeing the approach of the end of the Western World as we know it, although what may take it's place is not yet clear.
Those old Sci Fi movies where there is a world federation are beginning to look less Sci Fi by the year !!
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It's like when Bliar said he was told going to war would increase the chances of terrorist attacks in the UK, and he said "That was a risk I was willing to take" well excuse me, but you weren't likely to be the one taking the risk were you Mr Bliar?

Anyway, much as I like debates like this, especially when the participants are adult enough to know that others have differing opinions and as such facts stated may be wrong but the person stating them isn't, it does remind me of this:

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I fail to see how a cabinet made up almost entirely of Old Etonians clearly born into millionaire families can have any idea of the real struggles of life of the working man, having a mortgage and unemployment or the threat of it. If however the present cabinet was made up of people who were successful themselves then that would be a very different matter, I'm sorry but I believe that there is no substitute for Experentia Docet.

Of course for advice you call on people such as Philip Green that tax avoider which I find rather distasteful when we are being told that we all need to pay more tax, how distasteful is that?

As for private education, well I know all about paying for my daughter's private education thank you very much, I also know from bitter personal experience just how bad the health service was from when Margaret Thatcher was in government and the ridiculously long waiting lists for medical treatment. I required numerous operations for serious burns suffered in an accident and when I finally did manage to get admitted for operation's having to sleep on a bed without sheets or pillows until relatives brought them in the following day because the hospital didn't have any, yes this was in Thatchers wonderful Britain, so to say that all that extra money put into the NHS was wasted is total tosh, been there done that, know what the NHS is like now at this very moment and the time in between, trust me folks there is no comparison.

I'm not entirely sure what the answer is as to who should be in power ATM but one things for sure I don't trust Cameron, Osborne or Clegg as they weren't even subtle about telling lies!! Labour, well who is Milliband? We've yet to find out!

And now its time for bed!! :lol: :lol:
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