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Very Impressive stuff. I'm too impatient to do all that painting and cleaning!
Xantia 1.9 TD Bosch injectors are the same as a Bosched XM 2.1 injectors in case the three you have lined up aren't up to the job!
Is that a Mitsubishi turbo? Whatever it is, can you advise any parts numbers on there please if they are easy to read?
Xantia 1.9 TD Bosch injectors are the same as a Bosched XM 2.1 injectors in case the three you have lined up aren't up to the job!
Is that a Mitsubishi turbo? Whatever it is, can you advise any parts numbers on there please if they are easy to read?
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There's a good thread on the 406 forum about using the 405 injection parts here -
http://www.406oc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12415
The turbo is a Garrett T2. There's a fair few photos on my Flickr page.
Steve.
http://www.406oc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12415
The turbo is a Garrett T2. There's a fair few photos on my Flickr page.
Steve.
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absolutely beautiful steve, its a credit to all of your efforts.
these compressors can they be put inside a cellotex box?
I had similar probs with my neighbours and my so called silent generator, building a cellotex box around it cut the noise from 120 db to 67 db thats 50mm cellotex insulation board around the back sides and front with a 25mm celotex lid a bathroom fan and some flexi ducting for ventellation.
oh and I did forget to mention the floating floor I built for the genny but if you have a concrete floor unlike my wooden shed floor noise travelling downward shouldnt be to bad for your compressors.
my floating floor is made from studing for stud walling glued together to make three platrforms and they are connected together using 6 off set reliant robbin engine mounts the gaps are packed with loft insulation.
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these compressors can they be put inside a cellotex box?
I had similar probs with my neighbours and my so called silent generator, building a cellotex box around it cut the noise from 120 db to 67 db thats 50mm cellotex insulation board around the back sides and front with a 25mm celotex lid a bathroom fan and some flexi ducting for ventellation.
oh and I did forget to mention the floating floor I built for the genny but if you have a concrete floor unlike my wooden shed floor noise travelling downward shouldnt be to bad for your compressors.
my floating floor is made from studing for stud walling glued together to make three platrforms and they are connected together using 6 off set reliant robbin engine mounts the gaps are packed with loft insulation.
regards Nigel.
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Thanks all. I'm hoping it runs as good as it looks but I doubt it somehow after having the injection pump in bits....
Hi Nigel,
I suppose the Hydrovane could but it would need loads of ventilation, they're very smooth and produce a much less aggravating tone than a piston type compressor but do run pretty hot. I've still got loads of Cellotex from another project so may give it a go. I built something similar for my Ultrasonic cleaner (the neighbours moaned about that too!).
Steve.
Hi Nigel,
I suppose the Hydrovane could but it would need loads of ventilation, they're very smooth and produce a much less aggravating tone than a piston type compressor but do run pretty hot. I've still got loads of Cellotex from another project so may give it a go. I built something similar for my Ultrasonic cleaner (the neighbours moaned about that too!).
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steve,
if you can reduce the upward travelling noise it will probably be a lot better just 25mm celotex made a heck of a difference to my genny, but as you say ventelation may be a problem does your machine have its own fan if so maybe you could build a duct to go around it to pull air in from the outside, I use my genny to process veg oil to run my xainta
I used the tin cans to make the ducting for the shed and a Machine mart 20inch fan to do the extraction of hot air this needed some ducting. the air intake for the genny is a bathroom fan I was worried that it wouldnt be enough but it seems to be fine the shed turns into a sauna when you heat up two 250litre drums of waste veg oil. not from the heat of the genny because it is contained in a cellotex box but the heat of the oil, it is great for germinating seeds early for the vegetable plot it stays warm for several days. anyway if you get a visit from the enviroment agency you can at leasdt show that you have made a consious effort to put things right rather than do nothing about it and believe me they do have a little human sympathy even if they do take on the side of the complainant to start with, people who complain generally exagerate their side of the story to try to make it sound worse than it is, I was acdused of running my genny all day every day it has been running on one tuesday and one thrsday every month ussually the last week in the month, keep a diary of when you run the compressor because the enviroment agency will ask the complainant to make a diary to if the two dont tally up they will know instantly wether or not the complainants are lieing.
regards Nigel
if you can reduce the upward travelling noise it will probably be a lot better just 25mm celotex made a heck of a difference to my genny, but as you say ventelation may be a problem does your machine have its own fan if so maybe you could build a duct to go around it to pull air in from the outside, I use my genny to process veg oil to run my xainta
I used the tin cans to make the ducting for the shed and a Machine mart 20inch fan to do the extraction of hot air this needed some ducting. the air intake for the genny is a bathroom fan I was worried that it wouldnt be enough but it seems to be fine the shed turns into a sauna when you heat up two 250litre drums of waste veg oil. not from the heat of the genny because it is contained in a cellotex box but the heat of the oil, it is great for germinating seeds early for the vegetable plot it stays warm for several days. anyway if you get a visit from the enviroment agency you can at leasdt show that you have made a consious effort to put things right rather than do nothing about it and believe me they do have a little human sympathy even if they do take on the side of the complainant to start with, people who complain generally exagerate their side of the story to try to make it sound worse than it is, I was acdused of running my genny all day every day it has been running on one tuesday and one thrsday every month ussually the last week in the month, keep a diary of when you run the compressor because the enviroment agency will ask the complainant to make a diary to if the two dont tally up they will know instantly wether or not the complainants are lieing.
regards Nigel
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After the recent Bank Holidays and good weather, more progress has been made on the XM.
At this stage the new the timing parts have been fitted and the engine rotated several times to check that nothing clashes and the timing pins can go back in. I also used this to prime the oil pump/system.
After the engine was in location I spun it over for a few seconds without the injectors fitted to pump some oil around it. Threading the main loom took some time to get right because I wanted it to go in the tidiest locations that wouldn't risk chafing. Self amalgamating tape has been used to bind up any exposed wires and openings where the loom exits the flexible plastic conduit.
I finally found my dial test gauge so had to strip some parts back off the engine to allow it to fit. This isn't something I've tried to do before so I've got my fingers crossed.
Steve.
At this stage the new the timing parts have been fitted and the engine rotated several times to check that nothing clashes and the timing pins can go back in. I also used this to prime the oil pump/system.
After the engine was in location I spun it over for a few seconds without the injectors fitted to pump some oil around it. Threading the main loom took some time to get right because I wanted it to go in the tidiest locations that wouldn't risk chafing. Self amalgamating tape has been used to bind up any exposed wires and openings where the loom exits the flexible plastic conduit.
I finally found my dial test gauge so had to strip some parts back off the engine to allow it to fit. This isn't something I've tried to do before so I've got my fingers crossed.
Steve.
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Brilliant work Steve. A very worthwhile car too.
The spigot and spline areas in photo: The best stuff to put on those areas is Rocol or Molyslip ASP paste. The Rocol is £ouch. I have the Molyslip with 60% molybdenum in it.
The spigot and spline areas in photo: The best stuff to put on those areas is Rocol or Molyslip ASP paste. The Rocol is £ouch. I have the Molyslip with 60% molybdenum in it.
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Well the attempts to start the engine didn't work. Basic checks seemed to indicate that no fuel was being delivered to the injectors. Due to a urge to get things moving I swapped out the injection pump from the one off the spare engine I bought. I set this up using the dial gauge. After a bit of cranking the injector pipes started to leak fuel (I'd left them loose to enable them to prime). Tightening up the pipes allowed the engine to start but boy is it rough and smokey. The engine was only run for a few seconds because it's cooling system is still in bits.
It could be that the reason for the rough running is that the hydraulic tappets haven't yet filled with oil. During the rebuild I squeezed out all I could or I've made a mess of the timing. So rebuilding continues.
Problems ahead including rebuilding the calipers, the parking brake mechanism is proving difficult to compress. Also getting hold of a DIN flaring tool that capable of producing a flare on the steel pipe that connects to the flexibles. It's seem that flare tools capable of working on steel are much more expensive and I'm reluctant to spend £100 on a tool I'll use once. Tool hire shops don't seem to have flare tools for hire.
Steve.
It could be that the reason for the rough running is that the hydraulic tappets haven't yet filled with oil. During the rebuild I squeezed out all I could or I've made a mess of the timing. So rebuilding continues.
Problems ahead including rebuilding the calipers, the parking brake mechanism is proving difficult to compress. Also getting hold of a DIN flaring tool that capable of producing a flare on the steel pipe that connects to the flexibles. It's seem that flare tools capable of working on steel are much more expensive and I'm reluctant to spend £100 on a tool I'll use once. Tool hire shops don't seem to have flare tools for hire.
Steve.
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